Yeah,
All that silly paper.


I never studied history either.
After all, the past is the past, what's to know?

Randy

All that paperwork is just our way of loading the puppy dice.

For example, would you want a puppy that shows these dogs in it's lineage,

Pike von der Schafbachmühle, Itor Op de Hyde, Greif zum Lahntal, Sagus vom Busecker Schloß, Natan vom Busecker Schloß, Tom van't Leefdaalhof, Gotthilf von der Kine, Querry von Haus Antverpa, Orry von Haus Antverpa.

(nearly all these dogs are WUSV, Bundesieger winners or have placed well in national and international competitions.)

or

from Barbie and Stan (typical BYB or AKC mating)

I'd consider a pup from Stan but Barbie doesnt bring much.

How about Schutzhund Barbie?
http://www.dogsportawards.com/Schutzhund_Barbie.html

LMAO!!!

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How about Schutzhund Barbie?
http://www.dogsportawards.com/Schutzhund_Barbie.html

Which brings us to -- there must be a "Helper Ken" in the making...

Katie

Barbie shows good.
Her and Ken should be a good match.

Yeah yeah, let's see comes out.

Randy

For Colin, there is also Rottweiler Mary.

Actually, the Mary the doll was made for has some **very** nice Rotties who work well.

Pretty good Charlie. Do you Know the real Mary?

To anyone still following this thread, and for those who haven't followed or read the entire thread, without any sarcasm I'd like to clarify my positions enre to the back and forth we've been having about titling and predigrees.

Titles and trials are important tools for breeders. It gives the breeders a means to validate and prove to themselves, as well as to the market place, that they have accomplished what they had set out to do. Produce some very good dogs.
Why do I say good and not superior? I say good because; while the trials may be designed to showcase the dogs physical attributes, it is also true that they showcase to a greater extent the trainers/handlers expertise and even more so when talking about the trials that bracket mental stress into sport. For example, all things being equal on the field (no politics, even handed keen eyed judges, no mistake decoys, etc) a good trainer/handler will take a so-so dog to the podium, while a poor inept trainer/handler (I take the fifth here) with a potentially world class champion may not even make the points for a title much less get to the podium. The physical demands have shown both dogs are able to accomplish the task at hand, but what has been graded is the trainers/handlers. See what I'm getting at?

Now then if we were to look at these same dogs side by side on paper, and do so through a breeders eyes. Even before the dogs walked into the ring, what would we see?
We'd likely see that one should have been neutered long before now, and the other we're going to watch very closely because he/she has some lines you'd really love to have in your program.

The predigree is something more then just proof that the dog is a pure bred whatisit. And the title means the trainer/handler knows how to communicate with dogs (or not).

Charlie, you know any of us would like to see any of those names in the genetic map of our dogs. However isn't all those other names on the tree as important if not more so? Most of them, names nobody knows, and are probably also ran's in competition. Not being a breeder I don't know, but if I were, those are the names I'd be poring over while reseaching my next litter.

Randy