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[Re: Michael_Wise ]
#229498 - 02/28/2009 10:15 PM |
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These aren't the greatest pictures. Still maybe the can show how abnormalities, even minor, could cause problems with build-up.
Also, they are post-cleaning. Use your imagination and think of plaque build-up at the end of the arrow. 
The following 2 pics show 2 teeth that are just a *little* too close together. Pic isn't the best, but to give you an idea, they are spaced kinda' like slats on window blinds.
Overlapping-right side
Overlapping-left side Looking closely, you can see some brown staining where plaque likes to accumulate.
These 2 pictures show how one sideways tooth can affect multiple teeth on the opposite jaw.
Sideways tooth
Loss of shearing action caused by sideways tooth
Whoa, the dental deformities (sorry, don't mean to be offensive to Turbo or anything) are striking, especially the two side-by-side teeth! I've seen that on teething puppies when the adult teeth start pushing the old baby ones out of the way, but never on an adult dog. Wow... that would certainly explain why he needs help with his teeth. Lucky dog for having you notice it and take care of it so quickly for him.
The arrows with explanations are very much appreciated, by the way. You couldn't have made that clearer if you'd tried 
I hope Turbo's feeling better now... I know how incredibly aggravating an irritated eye can be.
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Re: dental work
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#229500 - 02/28/2009 10:30 PM |
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I was having a dang good time with the arrow feature on a free-trial of Snagit 9. Now if I could figure out how to get a clear close-up........
Turbo's teeth just aren't good all the way around. In the 1st pic you can kinda see his flat lower canines. The only thing I can figure is dirty tennis balls combined with crap teeth.
Everywhere that RMB's could touch stayed clean, but those places pictured were simply untouchable.
It doesn't take a tooth being off a lot to screw the whole mouth up.
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Re: dental work
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#229502 - 02/28/2009 10:34 PM |
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... Whoa, the dental deformities (sorry, don't mean to be offensive to Turbo or anything) are striking, especially the two side-by-side teeth! I've seen that on teething puppies when the adult teeth start pushing the old baby ones out of the way, but never on an adult dog. Wow... that would certainly explain why he needs help with his teeth. Lucky dog for having you notice it and take care of it so quickly for him. ... The arrows with explanations are very much appreciated, by the way. You couldn't have made that clearer if you'd tried ...
The way Oliver's teeth were (when the SPCA seized him), they had to do immediate dental surgery because he had two or three (I'm not sure) teeth growing straight out the sides instead of up.
This is only one of ten dillion examples of what humans did in their supreme arrogance when they decided that a flat-face Pug-nosed dog might be fun -- might look more "human-like."
So their eyes bulge out of the flat face and are easily injured and even popped out, the teeth are crowded (and worse), they often cannot whelp on their own and commonly require caesarian sections, they have noisy and difficult breathing, they overheat very easily and cannot run and hike as much as dogs with normal snouts can, and they are prone to elongated soft palates, pinched nostrils, narrow tracheas, spinal problems, and Pug dog encephalitis. The folds that formed as the faces were "collapsed" in the development of the flat face are very vulnerable to yeast and bacterial infections.
People did this.... not by accident, but on purpose.
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Re: dental work
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#229504 - 02/28/2009 10:42 PM |
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I don't think a dog has to have crap teeth for tennis balls to wreak havoc on them. They are abrasive little buggers, I don't let them anywhere near my dogs 
Sucks how one bad spot in the mouth can act as a constant source of contamination for the rest of the teeth... I hope you figure out a way to keep the problem areas under control. I don't envy you though, I never enjoyed brushing a dog's teeth (Moka, back in the kibble days) - somehow ended up getting myself covered in slimy drool each time. Thank god RMBs came along to make life easier!
If only you had some "before" pics too (with arrows of course). You could've published a little article, seeing how neat and scientific-looking your series of images turned out
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Re: dental work
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#229505 - 02/28/2009 10:50 PM |
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The way Oliver's teeth were (when the SPCA seized him), they had to do immediate dental surgery because he had two or three (I'm not sure) teeth growing straight out the sides instead of up.
This is only one of ten dillion examples of what humans did in their supreme arrogance when they decided that a flat-face Pug-nosed dog might be fun -- might look more "human-like."
So their eyes bulge out of the flat face and are easily injured and even popped out, the teeth are crowded (and worse), they often cannot whelp on their own and commonly require caesarian sections, they have noisy and difficult breathing, they overheat very easily and cannot run and hike as much as dogs with normal snouts can, and they are prone to elongated soft palates, pinched nostrils, narrow tracheas, spinal problems, and Pug dog encephalitis. The folds that formed as the faces were "collapsed" in the development of the flat face are very vulnerable to yeast and bacterial infections.
People did this.... not by accident, but on purpose.
Absolutely agree with you... you don't have to convince me; I cringe every time I see any one of those "deformed" breeds in person. Not just pugs and other toys, but even the working breeds like shepherds. Example, a shepherd whose hind leg tendons BOTH snap in a 1-year-old dog - just from moderate daily use - because of the impossible angulations in the dog's hindquarters (yes, I actually met one of these dogs, crippled with hip displaysia too, hocks dragging on the ground, and out of one of the most prestigious showline kennels in the country no less!).
And didn't you say that Oliver is "oversized" for his breed with less face squishness than usual? If his mouth is on the healthier end of the breed spectrum, I'd hate to think of what a more "correct", properly deformed pug's mouth would look like!
Of course screwed up breeding practices wouldn't explain Turbo's case, since jack russells are supposed to be working dogs too. (Unless the show breeders got to them too  )
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Re: dental work
[Re: Yuko Blum ]
#229507 - 02/28/2009 11:01 PM |
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... And didn't you say that Oliver is "oversized" for his breed with less face squishness than usual? If his mouth is on the healthier end of the breed spectrum, I'd hate to think of what a more "correct", properly deformed pug's mouth would look like! ...
No, Oliver is Pug-size (around 18 pounds).
Leo is close to 25 pounds, half again as tall as Oliver, head twice as big .... completely outside the breed "standard" size limits in every way.
He's the one who has none of the usual Pug problems ..... because as far as the breed goes, he's "deformed."
He's even trim! Well, they both are.
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Re: dental work
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#229508 - 02/28/2009 11:05 PM |
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No, Oliver is Pug-size (around 18 pounds).
Leo is close to 25 pounds, half again as tall as Oliver, head twice as big .... completely outside the breed "standard" size limits in every way.
He's the one who has none of the usual Pug problems ..... because as far as the breed goes, he's "deformed."
He's even trim! Well, they both are.
Oh woops, mixed them up. Right, it was Leo.
See Connie, if you'd just post pics of your dogs like everybody else I wouldn't be getting confused in the first place!
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Re: dental work
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#229510 - 02/28/2009 11:18 PM |
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I know. But I have no computer pics of Oliver -- just Leo and Pomfret, scanned in from photos (by someone else).
It doesn't seem fair to leave out Oliver!
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Re: dental work
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#229512 - 02/28/2009 11:26 PM |
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seeing how neat and scientific-looking your series of images turned out Arrows make ANYTHING look scient-errific.:wink:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3555/3318484482_394a08254e_b.jpg
Of course screwed up breeding practices wouldn't explain Turbo's case, since jack russells are supposed to be working dogs too. (Unless the show breeders got to them too ) Not show, but not true to form, working breeders, either. I have a terrier that doesn't dig.
I didn't know any better at the time. I even found him through a newspaper ad. 
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