Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Anna Anderson ]
#235536 - 04/08/2009 06:24 PM |
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Boy, I must of lucked out with my other GSD. She would never, ever eat dry food or dog treats...she hated it. This was years before the raw food was popular, so I would cook her steaks, hamburger, pork chops, stews, chicken, turkey etc. That is all she ate for 15 years. She went to a Vet three times in that 15 years, once when she got a pricker in her ear drum, once to get spayed and once at the end when she was passing away.
Is the cooked meat different or was I exteremly lucky?
Did she eat the cooked bones (a very dangerous procedure, but still provides calcium)? Or was she an outside dog, eating rodents, rabbits, etc.? She was getting calcium somewhere -- or you'd have seen bone fractures and/or soft teeth.
Yes, you lucked out. Osteoporosis is only one of the problems that come out of a no-calcium dog diet. Soft teeth would be another. But there are many more.
Cooked meat of course does not present the raw-plus-kibble problems, but I think you were asking about the calcium issue ....
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Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Wendy Lefebvre ]
#235538 - 04/08/2009 06:46 PM |
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Wendy,
I am sure that people who feed kibbles alone care and love about their dogs just as much as anyone else.
From a medical standpoint, raw foods are healthier than dry foods to a body, only because of the live enzymes the body gets from the live food. Any food that is cooked is basically a dead food. You can google raw foods and enzymes and get more information. It has been found that when people or animals have certain medical condition, switching to raw foods can really help heal.
What type of body problems is different from person to person, animal to animal...Some people can smoke all their lives and life until 90 with no problems. Bodies are all different.
When is comes to "How" to feed dogs raw food, what the hell do I know ?, I have been doing it wrong! I understanded the reasons behind it, but not how to do it!
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Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#235539 - 04/08/2009 06:49 PM |
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Yes, she ate cooked bone (beef mostly, sometimes pork). No she was an inside dog and was never interested in any type of raw meat and certainly would never hunt for anything. This was almost 19 years ago, all we were told then is never give them chicken or pork bones. When did the raw food programs start?
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Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Anna Anderson ]
#235544 - 04/08/2009 07:25 PM |
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Yes, she ate cooked bone (beef mostly, sometimes pork).
That was the source of your "lucking out." Cooked bones are dangerously "shardy," but those bones saved the dog from porous bones and soft teeth.
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Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#235545 - 04/08/2009 07:45 PM |
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Ok, now what?....I know she really doesn't like the kibble by itself...she likes the meat, eggs (with shell) and yogurt..so can I give her a calcium supplement with ground meat or do they sell bones by themselves? I really don't want to cut up chicken parts and I don't think she is up to chewing large pieces of chicken with bones...her gums are pretty swollen.
How much calcium does she need...the ratio or percent? Is there a site you can forward me to?
Tnanks Connie!
Another words, any alternatives?
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Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Anna Anderson ]
#235546 - 04/08/2009 07:54 PM |
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Anna, start with reading everything you can on this site. I think Ed has an article about raw feed.
Also, if you do a search on this discussion forum you will come up with tons of stuff.
Of course, anyone here who raw feeds will give lots of comments as you can see.
Start a new thread in the appropriate section and I am sure you will get lots and lots of replies.
Good luck. When I first started raw I was more confused than you sound.
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Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Anna Anderson ]
#235547 - 04/08/2009 08:11 PM |
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Anna,
Check this out, and as Nora says, lots of info here at LB.
How much do I feed daily?
Billinghurst recommends 60% RMBs and 40% veggies, etc... however; 60% to 75% CAN BE RMBs and the rest should be a combination of veggies, organs (also known as offal, to include liver, heart, kidney, green tripe, etc...), ground meat (e.g. lean beef, chicken or turkey), eggs and supplements. If you are just starting BARF, remember to start slow by adding new food items every few days or even weeks, until your dog gets used to the new food (especially the richer foods like liver). This is only a guide to help get you started. If your dog is on the skinnier side, up the food (RMBs) and reduce the veggies....if your dog is on the heavier side, reduce the RMBs and up the veggies. To know if your dog is 'just right,' rub the back of your hand.....his/her ribs should feel the same. If you can't feel his/her ribs, then reduce the daily food intake.
Multiply your dogs weight by 16 to get the number of ounces he weighs.
Multiply that by .02, which gives you 2 % of his body weight.
Multiply that by .6 to give you the weight of RMB you should feed. That is chicken necks, wings, backs etc.
Go back to the 2% of his body weight again and multiply that number by .4 to get the weight in ounces of vegetable patty mix you should feed.
For example: One of my Boxers weighs 70 Lbs. Here's the formula I used to calculate the daily food intake when I started:
70Lbs x 16 = 1120 ounces
1120 x .02 = 22.4 ounces of food per day
22.4 x .6 = 13.44 ounces of RMB -----60% RMB
22.4 x .4 = 8.96 ounces of Veg. Patty mix.-----40% Veg. Patty mix.
Remember this is only a place to start - adjust everything up or down, depending on your dogs condition.
Joyce Salazar
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Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Joyce Salazar ]
#235548 - 04/08/2009 08:17 PM |
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Joyce, the text needs a link and citation.
Thanks.
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Re: Dog Eating
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#235549 - 04/08/2009 08:19 PM |
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Ok, now what?....I know she really doesn't like the kibble by itself...she likes the meat, eggs (with shell) and yogurt..so can I give her a calcium supplement with ground meat or do they sell bones by themselves? I really don't want to cut up chicken parts and I don't think she is up to chewing large pieces of chicken with bones...her gums are pretty swollen.
How much calcium does she need...the ratio or percent? Is there a site you can forward me to?
Tnanks Connie!
Another words, any alternatives?
Are you asking how to start raw or how to make the kibble (safely) more palatable?
Calcium in raw is actually pretty simple: small prey like rabbits and chickens "come with" the right calcium-phosphorous ratio.
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Re: Dog Eating
[Re: Joyce Salazar ]
#235550 - 04/08/2009 08:33 PM |
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Here is the link to above post, sorry Connie!
I am not sure what you mean by citation, sorry, I am forum etiquette challenged.
Here is the website:
http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm
Joyce Salazar
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