Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Rob Abel ]
#280547 - 06/18/2010 11:50 PM |
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This thread is outrageously helpful! I am pretty much sold right now on a Mali. They are just so stinkin appealing and I think for the training I'm into, which basically deals with drive, it would be a perfect match. Malinois are just magnificent too. I would love to know when I'm at my station that my wife could take the Mal to go get gas after dark. Putting protection training aside, very few fools would be willing to approach a woman with a well trained Mali.
Also, if I decide to do bite sports, which I'm sure I will (Rob Abel doesn't know it yet but he's destined to be a decoy for me), I won't be limited! I just need to convince my wife because she is still torn between the two right now!
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Spencer Martin ]
#280549 - 06/19/2010 12:02 AM |
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Also, thanks for contributing so much to my posts everyone, I usually spend a lot of time on the boards when I'm working. It's nice to post, run a couple calls on the ambulance and open up my notebook to see lots of replies! It's just awesome!
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Spencer Martin ]
#280551 - 06/19/2010 12:19 AM |
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After reading 'A Day in the Life of a Malinois', I realize that my Border/Kelpie is actually a Mali. Cool, I've always wanted one but got BC's instead because I thought a Mal would be too intense. Maybe I could handle one. There is no way a Mal could be any more difficult than my BC/Kelpie. (providing of course it was a well-bred, well-trained Mal, because it would be horribly well-loved and maybe just a might spoiled if it lived with me.)
Spencer, I wish you and your wife all the best with whichever breed you choose. Happy puppy hunting!!
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Lisa skinner ]
#280554 - 06/19/2010 06:32 AM |
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Several of my friends have been life long BC owners. They use them for herding and agility. These dogs are with them 24/7, the dogs are actually the one's working all day, they are workaholics! Being involved with rescues I can say that BC's top the list of dogs entering shelters or breed rescue, sadly, because they were placed in homes where they were out of their element. I know you plan on keeping the dog active with sports, but what is your work schedule like? The BC's I know do not spend any time in a crate, and still seem like energy machines!
What are they like with use of a crate?
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Tammy Moore ]
#280556 - 06/19/2010 07:16 AM |
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When she was younger my 11 y/o BC could go all day or could chill with me, whatever I needed her to do. Of course if I had a couple of chill days in a row, I knew I had to give her something to do the next day. Even now she thinks she can go-go-go. She just takes longer and harder naps in between. And is happy to sleep in in the mornings.
I crate my younger two regularly. They're fine with it and chill nicely in their crates. I think the key is making them a part of your life as much as you're able to. Most of my free time is dog time and they get regular work, training and exercise, as well as riding along in the car on errands, etc.
I think you can create a dog that can go all day, but you can also teach them that "down time" is part of life.
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Tammy Moore ]
#280559 - 06/19/2010 09:16 AM |
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Several of my friends have been life long BC owners. They use them for herding and agility. These dogs are with them 24/7, the dogs are actually the one's working all day, they are workaholics! Being involved with rescues I can say that BC's top the list of dogs entering shelters or breed rescue, sadly, because they were placed in homes where they were out of their element. I know you plan on keeping the dog active with sports, but what is your work schedule like? The BC's I know do not spend any time in a crate, and still seem like energy machines!
What are they like with use of a crate?
My schedule is an interesting one. I work on an ambulance so I work like this; Work 24 hours, Off 24 hours, Work 24 hours, Off 24 hours, Work 24 hours, The I'm off for four full days, then it starts over. So I'm gone 10 days a month then off for 20 days! It's an awesome schedule but unless I was married I could never own a dog, unless I brought them to the station. So my wife basically aside from 8 hours sleeping at night, the longest my dog is ever crated is for 8 hours, if my wife works and it's on one of the 10 days I'm on shift. Fairly rare to be honest and it works well.
Otherwise we spend tons of time with our dog. I could be disillusioned but I'm pretty confident that I can handle any dog. I seriously work with my dog off and on all day. I LOVE dogs so much. It's sad I wasn't able to own one until so late in life (I waited until I owned my own home). I'm sure some point in my life I will drag myself to the computer and scream "why didn't anyone tell me how hard this would be" haha but until then I think I got it!
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Spencer Martin ]
#280567 - 06/19/2010 02:13 PM |
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If an awesome Mal is your dream dog, I say "get one" life is short, one never knows what's around the bend.
For protectiveness and over all ferocity to strangers the toughest dog I ever saw was my husband's Chesapeake Bay Retriever, Maple. That dog bore absolutely NO resemblance in temperament to a lab. I wonder if anyone uses those dogs for protective sports described on this forum? She was biddable,loyal, had a reasonable energy level, and she was a BEAST if you were not her friend.
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Betty Landercasp ]
#280568 - 06/19/2010 02:20 PM |
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If an awesome Mal is your dream dog, I say "get one" life is short, one never knows what's around the bend.
For protectiveness and over all ferocity to strangers the toughest dog I ever saw was my husband's Chesapeake Bay Retriever, Maple. That dog bore absolutely NO resemblance in temperament to a lab. I wonder if anyone uses those dogs for protective sports described on this forum? She was biddable,loyal, had a reasonable energy level, and she was a BEAST if you were not her friend.
Betty, I had an uncle that had a tough old Chessie as well. As a kid, I was always just a little intimidated by him. He definitely ruled the pack (two labs and a Chessie). That dog knew how to dispatch a wounded goose, I'll tell you that!
Now that you mention it, you don't see Chessie's represented in the protection sports. I wonder why? Maybe Will or someone who knows will wander along and enlighten us.
Edit: found this on the DVG America website:
What are the suitable breeds to compete in Schutzhund?
The only requirement for a dog to compete in the sport of Schutzhund is that the dog can do the work. In other words, the dog will be able to track, do obedience and is large enough to successfully jump a 40 inch jump and climb a 6 foot wall, while retrieving a 650 gram dumbbell. The dog must be able to successfully bite and hold the man in the protection work. Typically, the most predominant breed in the sport is the Germany Shepherd, followed in recent years by the Belgian Malinois. Additionally, we see Dobermans, Rottweilers, Giant Schnauzers, and Bouviers. Other breeds that are less prevalent are Belgian Sheep Dogs, Turverens, Boxers, Pit Bulls and American Staffordshire Terriers, Airedale Terriers, Beaucerons, Dutch Shepherds, Australian Shepherds ("Aussies), an occasional Great Dane and Mastiff. Dogs do not have to be registered and a number of mixed breeds have successfully earned titles over the years and are fully accepted in the sport. So, there are many breeds besides the commonly accepted "working dog" breeds that participae in the sport of Schutzhund. The main thing is that the dog is a willing worker and is capable of doing the work required to achieve the titles
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Spencer Martin ]
#280572 - 06/19/2010 02:50 PM |
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Putting protection training aside, very few fools would be willing to approach a woman with a well trained Mali.
I can attest to this point being absolutely true.
Every guy in my life has put pressure on me to protection train Tasha. I have decided not to. Honestly while I think she would do well in beginning bite work, I don't think it would be good for her to be worked in any real defensive work. Plus, why would I want to spend so much time and money on it when chances are that in real life she wouldn't do it?
The big point for me has been that I have already realized that if I put her in a heel and we march down the street, everybody stays out of our way!
People see a shepherd like her with some obedience training and seem to assume she its trained to protect. I have had many people ask me if she is, whether or not I tell them the truth depends on the person.
And she's still a baby!
You are correct, nobody will mess with her when they see a mal.
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Re: Border Collies vs Malinois
[Re: Lauren Jeffery ]
#280575 - 06/19/2010 03:00 PM |
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That is what I figured! So this is good!
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