 Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
[Re: Ross Rapoport ]
#291379 - 08/11/2010 07:48 AM |
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I had a certain amount of sympathy for the n00b, being one myself. Jumping in and openly challenging Aaron's statement--even if I completely disagreed with it--would have been a bad idea, considering the pecking order and all that. Thank you for reminding me where I stand!
I was actually trying to make the point that there is no pecking order.
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#291386 - 08/11/2010 08:24 AM |
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Mmm, nope. I did.
Sending a dog who lacks prey drive, to a board-and-train trainer and telling them "I want a bark and hold" is setting the dog up to be abused by said trainer.
The OP was given good advice, and instead declared that he was too busy to do the right thing, and wanted the easy way.
The easy way is going to cause his dog immense suffering.
Sorry, I care more about dogs, than owners.
I never said that I was sending my dog to a board and train trainer and "telling them I want bark and hold" and never declared that "i was too busy to do the right thing".
I was simply asking if anyone knew of a good trainer. The assessment of prey drive/defensive drive was made by a few co-workers that work k-9's that I seeked out advice from. I would leave the final say on whether he is capable of that to an expert trainer that has evaluated him.
And there was no mention in my post of not having time to train my dog but I'm not a professional...and a professional is what I seek to help me. If that's wrong to you...oh well. My dog is a member of my family. He sleeps inside, gets lots of attention, walks,etc. He goes with me pretty much everywhere except work. Telling me to "rehome" him because I want to seek a good trainer for possible board and train (and yes obviously continue doing the right training for the rest of his life myself with guidance)....give me a break dude.
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
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#291389 - 08/11/2010 08:37 AM |
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Thanks to everyone ELSE for the advice and the PM's. I have a good list of trainers thanks to you all. And yes I'm a noob to this forum but I don't get intimidated easily and I respect others opinions on this topic..I see they are strongly negative to board and train...and most have very valid arguments...ones that are quite obvious and I'm fully aware of. Someone actually told me to get a gold fish instead, lol...not good advice...all the ones I had as a kid didn't last too long and dogs are way more fun, lol.
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
[Re: David Buhman ]
#291395 - 08/11/2010 09:08 AM |
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I read this forum for days before registering and posting. I remember scratching my head and thinking, "I can't do this!"
Now, I'm not trying to train a working or sport dog, just a well behaved companion. But, had my first misconceptions about what it would take to work alone with my dog were posted, it may have sounded similar to David's post.
You long time members/experts are brilliant, (and I'll admit it) intimidating. Be patient with those of us less informed. I can't imagine how badly I'd be screwing it all up without your help.
THis board and train topic got me thinking. Caeser Millam has the rehabilitation program for serious problem dogs, right? I'm curious, is this a bad thing? I was always skeptical when he'd take a dog for a month, work with it and then return to the owner like, "Look! I fixed your dog!" What's the general opinion on that?
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
[Re: Janet Foley ]
#291396 - 08/11/2010 09:14 AM |
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I'm no expert Janet. And I'm definitely nobody to be intimidated by. I just like dogs.
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
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#291397 - 08/11/2010 09:18 AM |
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This is everything I need to know about Cesar.
Yes, this will disagree with the overwhelming majority of opinions on this board.
Watch to the very end, when the dog attempts to crawl under the chair to avoid Cesar's e-collar "corrections".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bi3ve9sWslI
You couldn't pay me to leave my dog alone with the guy.
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#291398 - 08/11/2010 09:31 AM |
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Wow!
I've never been for or against the guy...just another TV show, and I haven't had cable in years because...well...let's just say my household is better off without it...LOL.
THat's really pitiful. But E-collars are useful, right? Is this the typical reaction from a dog using these?? Oh Geez...(scratching my head again)
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
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#291399 - 08/11/2010 09:33 AM |
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The dog wants to eat the cat. He used the collar to put the dog into avoidance so he doesnt even want to look at the cat. You could do the same thing with a leash.
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
[Re: Janet Foley ]
#291400 - 08/11/2010 09:34 AM |
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E-collars are very useful.
Not in that situation, though. E-collars are for proofing obedience, not addressing aggression.
No, that's not a typical reaction. That's full-fledged avoidance caused by using the collar well above humane levels, for something it isn't intended to be used for.
Lots of people, members of this board included, like Cesar.
I disagree. He takes a dog that is dog reactive, and rather than work on obedience, and slowly desensitize the dog, he rushes right into an encounter with a dog, and when the "case dog" reacts, he chokes it out.
"Hanging" a dog may have a place, but this is circumventing every logical training step and going right to the big guns.
He also alpha-rolls dogs, a dangerous, and pointless, outdated training technique.
And in this case, rather than work on obedience, rather than do any logical step in fixing the problem, he antagonizes the dog into reacting to the cat by chasing it around with a crate full of hissing, spitting cat, and then corrects the hell out of it.
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Re: Good GSD trainer in Northern California?
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#291402 - 08/11/2010 09:45 AM |
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THat's really pitiful. But E-collars are useful, right? Is this the typical reaction from a dog using these?? Oh Geez...(scratching my head again)
I understand the scratching the head... We may need to begin another thread or have a mod move this stuff to a new thread.
There are very well respected trainers on this site who would advocate using the e-collar to correct Falcon's interest in our cats. There are very well respected trainers who would say to do so is cruel.
It is one of the issues I struggle with but know there is no simple answer - how to decide which person's advice to follow - when I respect both but they are completely opposite.
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