 Re: puppy and dog nutrition
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#313981 - 01/28/2011 01:40 PM |
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An interesting point in the above discussion on Omega 3s.
I am feeding amongst other things beef and lamb which would be raised on grass.Does this mean that I do not have to supplement with wild salmon oil ,which I am doing.Could I give too much Omega 3?I also give the vitamin e
Another question ,how many owners feeding raw include vegetables in the dogs diet?
IMHO, no, not in the amounts we discuss here, unless your dog is on warfarin or another blood thinner, in which case you would consult your vet.
I include produce. I consider it to be a very small but not optional component. I like best to give it in the form of green tripe, but I make do with processing non-partly-digested produce to replicate as closely as I can the green tripe that I don't always have.
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
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#313983 - 01/28/2011 01:45 PM |
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An interesting point in the above discussion on Omega 3s.
I am feeding amongst other things beef and lamb which would be raised on grass.Does this mean that I do not have to supplement with wild salmon oil ,which I am doing.Could I give too much Omega 3?I also give the vitamin e
Another question ,how many owners feeding raw include vegetables in the dogs diet?
To be honest, I feed a lot of wild caught meat, season dependent. I still supplement with FO and VitE during these times of the year, but may not give quite as much.
The typically recommended dose tends to be around 1 gram for every 10-20 lbs of dog. I usually feed much closer to the 1 gram to 10 lbs (or even more than that since the dog loves it) and closer to the 1 gram to 20 lbs when feeding wild caught meat.
I don't know if one could give too much, but I would prefer to feed more than not enough...
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
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#313984 - 01/28/2011 01:46 PM |
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.... Personally, I would continue with supplementation. Simply because it is inexpensive, I don't think you would be doing any harm, and could possibly be giving even more benefit.
I'd like to hear others opinions on this, though.
I agree. I believe that most of humankind's history (and dogs) featured a diet with a 6-to-3 ratio of 2:1 to 1:1. Now it's more like 15:1 or even 20:1 in western diets.
JMO.
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#313986 - 01/28/2011 02:14 PM |
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I feed raw green tripe too. "Vegetable" isn't what comes to mind when I open the package of pure stink. But, man, do the dogs love it. Hoooo-wee.
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
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#314002 - 01/28/2011 03:33 PM |
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"I include produce. I consider it to be a very small but not optional component"What do you mean by that exactly Connie?.
I also feed green tripe a couple of times a week which would have bits of veggie matter in the stomach but not enough of any consequence.
I will continue with the salmon oil but can not make up my mind as to whether I should include veggies.As it is I am developing a mighty guilt complex when I see what my pup gets in one day that would keep some third world family going for a month
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
[Re: Jack Gingell ]
#314003 - 01/28/2011 04:20 PM |
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If it helps your budget (or conscience), you can probably salvage enough of the vegetable scraps from your own food to include in the dog's diet. I keep a large zipper bag in the freezer, and any time I have some scraps, in they go for the dogs. Things like broccoli stems, the ribs/stems from kale or romaine, odd vegetable parings from making a salad (ends of carrots, etc.) bruised fruit or anything freezer-burned, plus any bites of veggies left on the plate after a meal. I don't actually purchase any vegetables or fruit just for the dogs.
(Just don't give dogs any onions, grapes or raisins.)
Between my chickens and dogs, There's very little in the way of food matter (meat, bread or veggies) that goes in the trash.
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
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#314005 - 01/28/2011 04:28 PM |
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I mean that while it's a small part of the diet, I personally consider it to be non-optional. JMO.
I think green tripe is a great form of produce for the dog. I totally disagree that it includes vegetation "of no consequence." In its folds are the grass, hay, etc., eaten by the ruminant, regurgitated, chewed, times a couple more, and still containing the enzymes used to digest it, as well as vitamins and minerals and probiotics.
Also, when I don't have green tripe, the produce I do give is pretty much "throwaways." The leaves and stuff in the big cartons at the end of the farmers' market go into my blender along with celery tops and parsley stems, etc., from my own kitchen. I have no guilt feelings about this use of dumpster-destined vegetable matter. 
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#314006 - 01/28/2011 04:33 PM |
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I use our leftover vegetables, too.
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
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#314007 - 01/28/2011 04:36 PM |
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I use our leftover vegetables, too.
Me too.
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Jack, my reasoning is that I don't think we know enough to withhold from the dogs something that, left on their own in the wild, they would eat. They cannot run downtown or even to the forest to correct my mistakes, so I simply come as close as I reasonably can to replicating a wild canid's diet. I know that such an animal does not take apart rodents, etc., and eat nice clean "leg quarters," and in fact I even know that such an animal will eat ripe berries and very young tender shoots of ferns that grow along water. And besides all this, coming closer to replicating what the wild diet in times of plenty is involves using up what might otherwise be "trash" in our country. I see no downside.
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Re: puppy and dog nutrition
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#314008 - 01/28/2011 04:48 PM |
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Don't feel guilty, Jack.
But I do try to take as much out of the waste stream as possible. That is a good thing to do and good that it crosses your mind.
You've heard where most of our veggies come from. I know Connie takes fish scraps off fisherman's hands. SEVERAL members utilize scraps from slaughter houses.
After I take my fill of an adult deer, and get what's left for my dog, you could carry what's thrown away in one hand.
It's always good to pull from the waste stream when possible, but don't beat yourself up for providing the best for your family and pets.
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