Bob Scott wrote 05/22/2011 11:55 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Jane Jasper ] #333972 - 05/22/2011 11:55 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	In discussing your kids; There is no way that a 5yr old and a 2yr old will be looked at as dominant or leaders over this pup. It's your job to keep control and if your having problems with that then you can't expect these kids to be able to do it. I have a 5 yr old grandson that spends a ton of time with my two GSDs (supervised). He can give commands and they respond "after" they look at me to decide what "I" want them to do. They respect him because "I" make them. I also don't believe this is a dominate dog. It's an obnoxious, pushy, in your face, NORMAL pup that hasn't figured out who's boss. Dominant over you and the family, yes! You've had a lot of good info here from folks that have been through what your seeing for the first time. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/23/2011 11:18 AM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Bob Scott ] #334014 - 05/23/2011 11:18 AM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	I sure hope the O.P. is reading this pretty-much unanimous thread responded to by experienced people who have actually trained dogs in the years since 1980 (unlike the authorship of so much of the info she had the unhappy experience to find first). I do remember thinking that kind of info was gold. But we have learned SO much more since then --- and even when it was closer to state-of-the-art, it left out huge and imperative chunks about management and exercise.  Quote: bob scott In discussing your kids; There is no way that a 5yr old and a 2yr old will be looked at as dominant or leaders over this pup. It's your job to keep control and if your having problems with that then you can't expect these kids to be able to do it. I have a 5 yr old grandson that spends a ton of time with my two GSDs (supervised). He can give commands and they respond "after" they look at me to decide what "I" want them to do. They respect him because "I" make them. I also don't believe this is a dominate dog. It's an obnoxious, pushy, in your face, NORMAL pup that hasn't figured out who's boss. Dominant over you and the family, yes! You've had a lot of good info here from folks that have been through what your seeing for the first time.
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Mara Jessup wrote 05/23/2011 12:13 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Westy Bell ] #334021 - 05/23/2011 12:13 PM
Mara Jessup Webboard User Reg: 12-28-2005 Posts: 2316 Loc: Offline	What I would do is teach this dog to play fetch! 3, 15-20 minute sessions of serious fetch throughout the day can really take the edge off of a dog! Hard running burns off energy and satisfies drive wonderfully. And a satisfied dog is sooooo much easier to live with. And once again, my sweet submissive young Border Collie would be dominant by that list. I'll echo the others in saying that I think all you've got is a confident dog that needs some energy run off. You've really got to quit thinking dominant with her 'cause if you do all you'll see is "dominant behaviors" and you'll miss the sweet energetic puppy that she actually is. K-9 Knitter
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Westy Bell wrote 05/23/2011 04:57 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Mara Jessup ] #334052 - 05/23/2011 04:57 PM
Westy Bell Webboard User Reg: 05-20-2011 Posts: 21 Loc: Colorado Springs, CO Offline	Thank you very much, you all have been SO helpful! I now feel that this is doable. I just wasn't quite sure what to think cause she is so different from my previous dog, my previous dog was a Border Collie/Redbone Coonhound mix. Tessa is only my second dog so I don't have much experience at all, at least not hands-on, I do a lot of reading and had taken an obedience course with my first dog. On the prong collar, I did take some links out but then I couldn't get it over her big head! So I had to put the links back in. In order to NOT have the collar slide down towards her chest then it would be too small to get over her head. Pit Bulls have big heads. I don't know if there is a way around this? The links are so incredibly hard to take on and off that I definitely would not want to be trying to do it every time I go to put it on her. I use it anytime she's on a leash.
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Jane Jasper wrote 05/23/2011 05:07 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Westy Bell ] #334053 - 05/23/2011 05:07 PM
Jane Jasper Webboard User Reg: 05-19-2011 Posts: 92 Loc: northern NM Offline	You don't slide a prong collar over the head, you undo it each time & place it around the neck, then insert the prongs back into the correct space. I've got a sprenger prong... much easier to squeeze those links into place than the ones they sell at the box pet stores. Those nearly need a pair of pliers! OMG... border/hound to pit bull... two different worlds. No wonder you're staggered. Yes, definitely do-able, and the folks here have the experience to support you. Edited to add: pits love agility. They're generally too slow to seriously compete, but they love it! And it's great discipline & exercise. Flyball, frisbee... all something to work towards as your guy matures.
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Westy Bell wrote 05/23/2011 05:40 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Jane Jasper ] #334057 - 05/23/2011 05:40 PM
Westy Bell Webboard User Reg: 05-20-2011 Posts: 21 Loc: Colorado Springs, CO Offline	You ain't kidding on the pet store prong collars! That's exactly what I had to do, use pliers! I read the first line and thought, OMG, she's GOT to be kidding me! Guess I'm gonna have to look into getting a sprenger prong. Anyway, thanks again for the help and reassurance!
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Tracy Collins wrote 05/23/2011 07:17 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Westy Bell ] #334070 - 05/23/2011 07:17 PM
Tracy Collins Webboard User Reg: 10-09-2008 Posts: 1917 Loc: St. Louis, Missouri Offline	Herm Springer also makes a prong with a metal snap buckle. Easy peasy. That's what I use. Cinco | Jack | Fanny | Ellie | Chip | Deacon
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Lynne Barrows wrote 05/23/2011 07:21 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Tracy Collins ] #334071 - 05/23/2011 07:21 PM
Lynne Barrows Webboard User Reg: 09-22-2007 Posts: 2531 Loc: S. Florida Offline	Quote: Tracy Collins Herm Springer also makes a prong with a metal snap buckle. Easy peasy. That's what I use. I agree. I was going to post a link to the quick-release Sprenger collars but Leerburg is no longer selling them. Ed has a video on the prong page to explain why...
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Bob Scott wrote 05/23/2011 10:30 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #334093 - 05/23/2011 10:30 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Quote: connie sutherland I sure hope the O.P. is reading this pretty-much unanimous thread responded to by experienced people who have actually trained dogs in the years since 1980 (unlike the authorship of so much of the info she had the unhappy experience to find first). "years since 1980". You started late huh?! old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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Connie Sutherland wrote 05/24/2011 05:41 PM Re: How do you teach a dominant dog... pushy pup [Re: Bob Scott ] #334220 - 05/24/2011 05:41 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: bob scott  Quote: connie sutherland I sure hope the O.P. is reading this pretty-much unanimous thread responded to by experienced people who have actually trained dogs in the years since 1980 (unlike the authorship of so much of the info she had the unhappy experience to find first). "years since 1980". You started late huh?! Just because you started training dogs in 1880 doesn't mean we all did. I was a mere child in 1880.
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