Quote: Webboard User

 Quote: Al Curbow

For me a PPD is a dog that's anti-social, right on the edge nervy and a general nightmare to own. It's ALL the dog, teach a call off and not a whole bunch of training required.

Sounds like a lawsuit with fur...and a few missing fingers.

It is tough. If I needed or wanted a PPD this is what I would look for though. I had a social dog that was civil but I think it's hard to find that

They are a livestock guarding breed of very old descent, in Poland I believe, they originated(I may be wrong about the country)...but have been know to be very protective of their owner/handler just by the nature of the breed.

Would I consider them a PPD in the true sense, no. But on that same line of thought that you are getting at since you talked about aussies in your youth being territorial &
'protective'... I had a collie that kept me out of harms way form a couple of stray dogs. Also from a man that was, I am sure ill-intentioned one day when I was walking my dog down on the beach in a remote spot out on the point one late fall day. I was 14 years old at the time. Was she a protection dog...no...was she protecting me...probably more like resource guarding but a level of protection, yes.

Had a mini poodle that did the same thing...when repair men came to the house...she would not allow the guys more them 3' close to me or she would growl & snap at them. Protection...no, resource guarding..more like it.

I never stated anything about a PPD not being safe around it's owner. I also know where you are going with this...I do feel that kids will be kids & dogs will be dogs & dilligence needs to be taken. I am referring to the kids in the dog's pack. Not just every kid on the block.

Do I think that a dog can be social & still do the job...there are some that can. I have a social dog that has a civil side. They are out there. Many of the LE are using 'safer' dogs these days, that can be walked thru the public in subway & in crowded situation without reacting (at least in my area)...due to the bite liability suits. Many cannot deploy k9 to bite unless it is a felony crime, without reprocusions from the higher ups in the city. Most of the k9s are used for tracking & as a deterrent to criminals. (again in my area)But I do believe that these dogs are not that common, at least not to the extent that these dog venders are claiming they are & cranking them out.

I have a couple of guys in my area that sells PPD to unknowledgable clients with wild claims about their abilities. I just hope that they never have to use the dog for that purpose & this is also what these venders count on. I have seen a couple of these guy's dogs & it is a joke. They are just seeing the sleeve as a big tug toy. Not any threat at all.

You can ask Will about 'working' various breeds other then the 'normal' protection breeds. I know he has worked many odd breeds in protection...including boberls (sp)& other strong so-called protection breeds & what his comments on their abilities are.

 Quote: Al Curbow

For me a PPD is a dog that's anti-social, right on the edge nervy and a general nightmare to own.

I would agree this temperment would not be bonding with a whole lot of people or even care to interact...so family dog too? Probably not.

In your opinion would a dog like this need to feel threatened to react or would it also react to protect the handler? Or does it see the handler as an extension of his own survival?(My father's opinion which I thought was kind of interesting)

I would trust Brago in a room full of 2 year olds. I would also trust him to remove the arm of anyone attempting to harm me or my husband.


Edited to add, Brago is in no way a "typical" dog!

 Quote: becky shilling

I would trust Brago in a room full of 2 year olds. I would also trust him to remove the arm of anyone attempting to harm me or my husband.


Edited to add, Brago is in no way a "typical" dog!

that is the major reason I purchased "Drago", Brago's son from Becky and Steve. After spending twelve weeks as Becky and Steve's guest I got to know Brago and Dareya as well as their pups thoroughly.

I had a dog (monty) that was this kind of dog, he didn't need stimuli of any kind. He didn't give a crap what the "situation" was. He was a nasty piece of work from a puppy. That's why I say it's ALL about the dog, forget the handler etc, it's completely the dog.

Think your dog protects you? Put a muzzle on your dog and let the decoy "beat" you so you're on the ground and see who the dog hits with the muzzle, it's amazing.

Test for your PP dog. go to a empty building/garage somewhere not familiar to the dog. have the helper w/ sleeve suit in a corner. build a wall around him of cardboard boxes. have a some friends stand around talking in another corner. walk the dog in with no aggression. talk a little to your friends. walk around the room by the cardboard wall. when near, the helper will shove the boxes over and come at the dog screaming. you will see if he will protect you....

Don't take for granted you dog will do fine i conducted this test on a dog, that i thought wouldn't have trouble, he did. after a few times he worked through it . a good dog will work through the unknown.

expose you dog to everything you can think of.

 Quote: al curbow

Think your dog protects you? Put a muzzle on your dog and let the decoy "beat" you so you're on the ground and see who the dog hits with the muzzle, it's amazing.

Are you telling me; I'm going to take a double beating? Damn dog he doesn't get fed tommorrow.

No PPD for me. I'm so disappointed in my hypothetical dog for going for me when I was down and out; I don't think I'll ever get over it.

When I watched this clip I also clicked on the picture on the same page about the Kurdish Kangal, has anyone had a close up and personal with this breed?? I don't think I have ever heard of it being bred in the UK , it looks mahoosive!