 Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#400081 - 12/11/2015 07:41 PM |
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Perhaps they have been trained, or imprinted from an early age to not pull against someone and tug. It may take a while to re-train to tug. Perhaps by shaping the practice? First reward for holding, then reward for slight tug and so on?? It would be well worth it in the end.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#400085 - 12/11/2015 10:58 PM |
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Another though to add to Jeffrey's comment about the string.
Tie the string on you belt with much shorter length.
Maybe a foot or so long.
Hopefully she'll gab the rag now since it has more connection to you.
Obviously if shes a dog that may grab you, even in play, then it may not be a good idea.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Jeffrey Eggenberger ]
#400094 - 12/13/2015 06:02 AM |
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Yes you could be right with your prewwumptin, Jeffrey, thanks.
I know I will have to retrain the tug in the way you described. Michael Ellis on his DVD about tuging does it also like that.
And yes the time I'll invest will be worth it.
But on the otherr hand Mark Keating recommends not to use food rewarss, when training in direction tugging, because the tugging itself should be used as a reward and the dogs would get into a state of apprehension of alays getting treats for such exercises.
On the othrr side, I guess, it should be possible to do it without food lter on, once the dog have understood how much fun this game can be.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Bob Scott ]
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Another though to add to Jeffrey's comment about the string.
Tie the string on you belt with much shorter length.
Maybe a foot or so long.
Hopefully she'll gab the rag now since it has more connection to you.
Obviously if shes a dog that may grab you, even in play, then it may not be a good idea.
Thanks frr your tip, Bob.Sounds reqlly promising. By the way, there is no problem with grabbing me, they never do, whatever I play with them.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Jeffrey Eggenberger ]
#400096 - 12/13/2015 06:09 PM |
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Perhaps they have been trained, or imprinted from an early age to not pull against someone and tug. It may take a while to re-train to tug. Perhaps by shaping the practice? First reward for holding, then reward for slight tug and so on?? It would be well worth it in the end.
That's why I mentioned backchaining the retrieve. Once my dog learned to hold the item, she learned it had value and she started developing drive for it. If you cannot build enough drive for the game, you may at least be able to build some drive for the object.
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#400097 - 12/13/2015 10:28 PM |
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But on the otherr hand Mark Keating recommends not to use food rewarss, when training in direction tugging, because the tugging itself should be used as a reward and the dogs would get into a state of apprehension of alays getting treats for such exercises.
Once the dog gets into tugging, it will then be self satisfying and it's own reward...
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Christina Stockinger ]
#400098 - 12/13/2015 11:48 PM |
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I'm would like to second Duane's opinion with tugging in general. From my experience 'with my dog' I have been able to build a drive for tug. It's wonderful and fun, but for me it needs to be balanced with other rewards, (which I know is your intent Christina).
For now I usually start with a tug reward while he is still antsy and high energy, (noting that I separated it from regular sessions when starting as keating told you), then I move to his favorite ball. If it's close to dinner-time I will finish him with his favorite food..beef liver.
The tug definitely has it's place for me and it will work, but it will NEVER be his beloved ball; he loves to chase!
I hope you learned a ton and you keep trying, while observing your dogs reactions because every dog is different... it will probably have a place for you too!
Good luck! I'd love fo hear how it turns out, (probably a year from now)
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
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Perhaps they have been trained, or imprinted from an early age to not pull against someone and tug. It may take a while to re-train to tug. Perhaps by shaping the practice? First reward for holding, then reward for slight tug and so on?? It would be well worth it in the end.
That's why I mentioned backchaining the retrieve. Once my dog learned to hold the item, she learned it had value and she started developing drive for it. If you cannot build enough drive for the game, you may at least be able to build some drive for the object.
When I back-chained the retrieve (like teaching the command a chain-link at a time but reversing the order, teaching the final link in the command's chain first) with two of my dogs, both became far more interested in the item than they had ever been. Both learned to retrieve the item properly (as long as it wasn't thrown too far  for the first time via back-chaining.
This is more impressive than you might think ... these two are both Pugs. 
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
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#400104 - 12/14/2015 10:47 PM |
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Come on Connie. Pugs retrieving?!
You tied bacon to the retrieve articles right......and your still waiting for the Pugs to bring them back.  
Connie has done wonders with markers and her Pugs!
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Re: Dogs who don't play tug of war
[Re: Nicole hardman ]
#400105 - 12/15/2015 05:04 AM |
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I'm would like to second Duane's opinion with tugging in general. From my experience 'with my dog' I have been able to build a drive for tug. It's wonderful and fun, but for me it needs to be balanced with other rewards, (which I know is your intent Christina).
For now I usually start with a tug reward while he is still antsy and high energy, (noting that I separated it from regular sessions when starting as keating told you), then I move to his favorite ball. If it's close to dinner-time I will finish him with his favorite food..beef liver.
The tug definitely has it's place for me and it will work, but it will NEVER be his beloved ball; he loves to chase!
I hope you learned a ton and you keep trying, while observing your dogs reactions because every dog is different... it will probably have a place for you too!
Good luck! I'd love fo hear how it turns out, (probably a year from now)
Thanks, Nicole.What you write is very encouraging.I guess you are thinking in a very realstic way. I too am prepared to have to work on this for about one year from now.
Yes I will let you know, what's going on here, which one of my dog hve learned it qnd which not.
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