Thanks guys...that's really good advise. I don't plan on getting another pup till later next year so i have time to see these clubs in action & there are several in the area.There are also several pro trainers here in jacksonville fl that i've spoken to & i want to see them in action (actually training a client's dog in protection).A few of them require basic ob before any kind of bite work is started.Robert's advise on the best decoy i can find will be high on the list. I'm still wondering if club training is even needed if i want the pup to be protection trained? If I have no interest in sport competition, selected the right pup & did the early foundation training with the help of a qualified trainer, do i still need a club?
Thanks
Luis

Luis,
Be darn careful who you talk to in Jacksonville about PP training. I live here, and IMO, there are only a couple of 'pro' trainers that have any business even talking about protection training.

The one who told you that OB is required before any protection training sounds very familiar.

I'm not a 'pro', so there's nothing in this for me, personally, but I'd be more than happy to give you any info you may want about who's who around here, and what you can expect.

Shoot me an email if you like:
rvrctyrngr@rivercityringers.com

Remember, 'Professional' does NOT necessarily mean 'Proficient'!!!

Happy and SAFE Training,
Scott

Thanks Scott...i'll email you.
Luis

Originally posted by gomme:
It seems that there are some people that are in PSA that are on Eds most wanted list or hall of shame. Is this what I have to look forward to or are there good people in PSA. I would like to get involved but this does worry me. I know that there are more than one side to every story but it seems that when more than one pops up in a list like that it does start to worry me. should I worry or should I not worry. there are bad apples in every aspect of the dog world and I should let it slide. Is this how i should handle things? And should i just go ahead and get involved in PSA? Just put my head down, mind my own biz and do my own thing? or is it worth it?

Dave Dave,
I have scoured the 'most wanted section' of leerburg and do not see any referance to any well known member of PSA. Could you be more specific? This type of statement should be backed up!

I trialed my SchH3 bitch at a PSA She did great in the TC and with the hidden sleeve, But when three (3) decoys came around the blind at the same time she was lost. Did't run. She went to the attack but didn't know what to do when she got there. She bite one came off looked around bit another etc. But otherwise she was fine. Also in PSA, for a 5 point deduction they will feed the arm to the dog if it is not trained to the suit.
Ron

Ya know,
I'm still waiting for links or evidence of Vadim's claims of "multiple trials with 50 to 60 teams competing ( which are suppose to be getting bigger) . I look all over all the PSA sites, but I never see any evidence of trials that are even *half* that claimed size - and usually, the trial are *much* smaller.

Evidence to back up BS claims would be nice - or are the posted results on the offical PSA website wrong?
Making widely exaggerated claims about a fledgling dog sport does not make a good case for the honesty or ethics of that sport or it's participants, by the way. :rolleyes:

Bruce:
"I have scoured the 'most wanted section' of leerburg and do not see any referance to any well known member of PSA. Could you be more specific? This type of statement should be backed up"

Go to:
http://www.leerburg.com/articles.htm under "Con Artists in the Dog Business" , then http://www.leerburg.com/buyer.htm , the article named:
"Buying Dogs for Personal Protection or Breeding
BUYER BEWARE!!!" , then under the heading of:
"Mark Rowe"

Hope that helps!

Will
Ive been to three in Calif. I'm guessing that they ran around 20 dogs. Our PSA club broke up becouse of the money set up. Almost all of the money went to PSA and the winners. But the work the dogs do and the training was awsome. We did make a little. (less than $200 but only becouse most of the winners donated there money back to us.
Ron

Ummm, Brian - Mark Rowe is a PSA *judge*, and a big name in the PSA sport - That's pretty clear clear on the PSA main website, or you can look through the PSA discussion board, his name is mentioned *many* times there for holding seminars and such. There's a thread in that PSA website discussion forum thanking him for judging a trial dated 17 May 2004, so he's still active in the sport.

Anyone spending three moments on the PSA board would know who mark Rowe was.

The link from the PSA main site:

Gator K9 Club
Plant City, FL
Mark Rowe (PSA Judge)
http://www.geocities.com/gatork9club
On that site you see:
"Mark Rowe - PSA Southeast Regional Director, PSA Trial Judge, PSA Certified Decoy"


So your statement about " He makes no claims to be affiliated with PSA " is just false, period.
So speaking of facts,
You might consider checking your facts before you post statements in the future.

And sorry, double posted question get deleted or locked - if you're unhappy with that, take it up with management.

Hi all. Bruce, i have infact started a training group for PSA and I am having fun and enjoying it. The Fact that i was asking questions and being sure of what i was getting into should not mean that the sport is all bad. There are fishy people in every sport and the storys that i read are only one side of the story. I just was being careful and getting as much info as i could. I hope to be in trials next summer along with a few of my club members. Im in it for the training and not the politics. But I do need to know all the fact first. I am happy that i am working in PSA and the type of training is more of my style. I didnt mean to start a fight over a few honest questions but i was told that it never hurts to ask. Yes mark is al over the psa web site, but what he does is not my problem and each to his own. Never judge a sport on just a few people. if we did no sport would be worth doing. There are good and bad people in every sport and the only thing that you can do about it is put you head down and do what you do best and let them be who they they are. you should see the people i had to put up with in the CKC. Hope i dont start another fight over the ckc joke.

Thanks all
Dave