There are a lot of things to respond to in this thread. The difference between the ZVV and SchH, I think is the least.

But, it is fun to talk about. Here is a link to the ZVV rules. http://www.realworkingdogs.com/czrules.html

The high and low beams that is mentioned in obedience for instance is a ladder attached to a dogwalk. The ladder is on either side the dog must scale the ladder off leash then come down the other side.

It was more of a utility title. Many feel the ZM is equivilant to the SchH1, ZVV1=SchH2, ZVV2=SchH3, and ZVV3=SchH4(If there was such a thing).

Now as to why the Czech dogs are not as popular or are gaining popularity. Who knows. I have a kennel full of Czech dogs. Before the fad I might add. I get maybe one email every other month asking about stud service. Many clubs tell you to stay away from Czech dogs. Many times there is a breeder established in the club, this is where most dogs come from.

For the most part generalizing here, Czech line dogs have been misunderstood. As is typical with Americans or maybe I should say humans we tear down what we don't understand.

Also, many people don't have the experience to handle a really good Czech dog. I believe in the near future Czech dogs will become very popular. The only way for this to happen is someone has to get out and compete at the high level trials with a Czech dog. Hmmm, or maybe 2 or 3. Wait, something is coming to mind...Rocky, Dar, Alex, and the new one I pick up on Thursday. Solid Black SchH3, IPO3, ZVV3. My sources tell me he is better than Rocky. I find that hard to believe. But, I'll take it.

I was at that website the other day, and I swear, they have up for sale one of the most beautiful bitches I've ever seen in my life. If she has the working ability to match the looks, that's one dog I'd give my right arm for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I am guessing Hany Vikar. She is very nice looking. I have thought about her and thought about her. she does have show lines in the fourth generation on top. But that bottom side. WOW!!!

Oh my God, how did you know <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> She is the most stunning thing I've ever seen on 4 legs.

If you happen to purchase her or something that looks like her for breeding purposes, let me know. By that time, I may just be settled and ready to take on a new dog <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

OK, I'm dumb. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> What site are Todd and Melissa refering too.
Thanks,

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Here's the link to the dog we're talking about:

http://www.realworkingdogs.com/hany.html

I would breed her in a heartbeat to Dar. I would have a 2-3 linebreeding on Grim z PS. Yes a little close. I am fully aware of what Grims good and bad points are. Then you through in Bak Romal, Ciro z PS. Ouch, gotta stop starting to drool.

Oh my....Hany/Dar, you're making me drool. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> If by some chance you do it, save me a pup that won't take my arm off please <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Thanks, very nice looking female. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />