Sorry, I can't resist.

On the subject of dogs who "want to please people" my obedience teacher, Ruth Rosbach Chandler, once told me, "Sensitive dogs are like sensitive men, they still only want to please themselves". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

It's kind of ironic that you quote poor Bill (who'd thump me good for calling him poor anything) who causes shudders in the touchy-feely dog training people because he's so ROUGH on the poor dear doggies <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

oh jenn.....you are precious. now, if you will kindly step back, this old alpha bitch has some work of her own to do.

now howard, i'm speaking to you in terms you can understand: this old gray-haired bitch has you by the throat and pinned to the ground, tail between your legs and yelping to get up. you will not be set free until you have learned your lesson and submit: "stop ridiculing others when they don't share your opinion and stop trying to force your views on them." gggrrrrrrrr.

Well,
when folks feel the need to add their two cents into the discussion about aggressive/ high drive dogs, but either don't own or have any experience with said type dogs, you can expect the handlers or trainers that deal with those type of issues on a day-to-day basis to get a little testy.

And sorry, you never see me bad mouth AKC Ob ( my first love in dog training, until I needed more of a challenge ) - I thinks it's a solid background to start SchH with, *But* the average SchH handler/ trainer has a better understanding of aggression issues and canine drives than the average AKC trainer ( I've been both for over 20 odds years now and have belonged to well over a dozen AKC Ob and SchH clubs - I stand by that statement through my expereinces, yours may vary )

Hey Stephan R Weber

Good for you for noticing who I quoted! No accident that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

And Will, I know I posted the bejeezers out of this topic, so you probably missed that my current puppy is from pure German Schutzund lines. So though I am FAR from an expert (and hope I did not post as one, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> ) I am also not completely ignorant. http://www.wildhauskennels.com/docs.php?url=blitterpedigree.html

BTW, does 'social aggression' (see, staying on topic) come as a genetic makeup for we humans? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

will, its not a matter of not knowing anything about aggression, its a matter of dealing with it differently. some of us don't want our dogs to display it publicly......kinda like 4-wheel drive.....it's there when you need it, but you don't lock in unless the weather is crappy or you are going off-road. look what has happened to public opinion on pit bulls and rotties; do we really want the public to view gsds in the same light? i've had gsds for at least as long as you have, probably longer. one of our old dogs was out of a couple of schwarzen zwinger dogs grandkids of ajax v h dexel and erko dinkel land. he was a truly magnificent dog; hard as hell, but always a gentle man. the bitch i recently lost was described by flinks as, "a hard dog....no, a very hard dog." gerda is out of carlo hilsblick x xitta haus moons. eddy is out of werner wannaer hohen x xohra daelenberghutte and dharma is out of aldo bleekhof x xiena getevallei. these are not soft dogs and they are not out of soft dogs, but i am not about to give the public any sort of aggressive display and have them thinking i am of some sort of "fighting dog mentality." that is just not a good picture. far better for folks to see a dignified, strong dog, who is sure of himself and under control.

patricia powers, I understand everything you posted and it makes sense to me.

Apparently, you must merely have an 'AKC/agility' type background? All that stuff you posted about your dogs being otherwise must be a mistake!

I sense no social agression from you either, thanks for that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Patrica,
Hardness and aggression are two totally different topics - I mentioned high drive/ aggressive dogs, I said nothing about hardness, because it means nothing in this discussion.

And the congratulating people back and forth that agree with you adds nothing to this topic and is getting rather tiresome..... :rolleyes:

Topic closed...

And may I add. . .


I'm sick of this.


How about, as a rule of thumb, if you don't have any experienced advice, productive comments, intelligent questions, intelligent answers, or incredibly funny comments to contribute to a thread. . .keep your little fingers off the keys.


Jenn, your opinions about Howard's handling of his dog should have been PM'd to him. Your opinions on what is appropriate and what is inappropriate aggression in a dog should have been posted to another thread of your own.


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