This is an interesting topic. I have one question for Brigita. In a previous post you mentioned:

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I completely understand what you're saying...and perhaps numbers are also 'breed specific'....don't know...just thinking out loud.

Continue to think out loud. If the percentage of actual working dogs was breed specific, would you say that the Mals have a higher percentage rate of working dogs per litter than a GSD? Or are there too many variable to draw an opinion? Although, you do breed Mals so you would have a biased opinion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yes to both. Jason started to be used as a stud only at the age of 8.5 yrs. So in 2.5 years, he's produced apprx. 100 pups. I can't speak for the other breeders who have bred to him; but I do not sell to pet homes. All the pups only go to working homes. So I can only speak for my stats and those of other breeders who keep me informed on their Jason pups.

As he is 11 now...this would make his oldest pups barely 2 years old. And yes his oldest have started titling at 15 mos (last year). Others are currently going for their cert. in SAR and Detection and some have attained Sch titles at 15 mos and will have their III by 2.5 yrs of age. Two have just recently achieved their Mid-East Regional Ch. (1st and 2nd placings) and One just achieved his Sch USA Ob Ch with a 97 (1st place).

I'm quite sure by the time other J pups have 'done their thing'; he'll be long gone.

During a club training session; I demonstrated 2 of J pups (2 yr old female--in training for one year; and an 18 mos old male)...Flinks commented on the clear headedness and the incredible 'striking power' they demonstrated and wanted to know the lines...This said enough to me...I have an incredible amount of respect for that man and to have him (a GSD man) state this...was truly an honor. Apparently, he told someone at the club that he can honestly go back to Germany and say that he has seen some truly good Malinois.

Hope I've answered your questions.

B <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

>>would you say that the Mals have a higher percentage rate of working dogs per litter than a GSD?

*** Definitely. For several reasons...but I'll only mention a couple...one is culling (more prevelant in Mals); and the other the Mal people are not as 'stuck' on TYPE. Another would be that the breed is not nearly as popular..which by the way is a blessing in disguise....Poplularity tends to destroy working breeds. Another would be that the politics in Malinois is not even close to that in GSD's. I also think that those with Malinois, tend to use other programs (perhaps less politically oriented and more challenging on various levels) as a recommendation for breeding...ie., BR, MR, FR, KNPV, PSD, etc...

I'll give you a simple example...There is a guy at our club...who has this super awesome working and LOOKING GSD...structure is correct....This dog can jump, has speed, and an awesome grip...AND he is gorgeous...He went into our recent Seiger show for his Breed Survey...He was evaluated as an 'SG' (very good)...He lost marks in...his eyes were slightly too light, and he didn't have enough angulation!!!! The judges are looking for TYPE (as in SHOW type) and not for working TYPE/true working conformation or structure...The dog that got a 'V' rating was a Sch III...and very cobby...no neck...narrow head....sloping topline...There really was very little to compare the two by...So YES, today...One is likely to get more % of working Mals out of a given litter than a GSD litter...

Again JMHO.

Jeff, I didn't say I wouldn't breed him after 11...He will be bred...just not to outside females...We'll keep our obligations to certain female owners and to our own but he is no longer available to the general outside female population...

He is a 'walking hormone' lol...He will stop eating for a week while breeding and at his age; he will drop weight fast...And every time he is breeding it takes about 3-4 weeks for him to get his weight back...A couple years ago...not a problem...but he means too much to me to keep him going like this...more and more people are enquiring to breed to him and it's more important to me to have him around as long as possible than anything else.

I feel he's produced enough puppies and he's been available for a decade now...Although he thinks he's 2 and will 'live forever'; I think he's done his 'part' for the breed...

I sent you a PM.

Differences in the repeat breedings? I saw the video's of the two puppies/dogs doing work, but the only differences I saw were typical of owner preferences, or training. Hopefully someday I will have room at the house so you can pick me out a puppy. Incedently, my club member ended up sending his puppy back <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

So Brigita are you going to keep some straws around of Jason for later use at your kennel <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Sounds like a once in a lifetime time dog. lucky he ended up in the correct hands

Regards