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"Isn't it time you start answering your posts with some valid statements vs verbal assaults"


Jesse,
My entire point is that several of the statements/ claims made on the SDA website are just simply *false*.
I'm sorry that you take that as a "verbal assault", but to most people, pointing out lies is a "valid statement"

Once again - how do you point out "lies as valid statements" when you have no knowledge of anything you are talking about? You also clown the fact that I accused you of your verbal assaults - which if you look at your post, you create posts to create arguements - I thought that was a rule against this board???? I just find it utterly amazing that you are so knowledgable on the SDA orgainzation to make all these facts and comments - how many board meetings were you on? How many trials have you done helper work for? How many trials have you judged? How many trials have you spectated? How many people do you know that have competed in its trials (being as there has been around 300 dogs titled in it thus far) to know anything to make rude and arguemental comments about it?

Actually, I've done a fair amount of research about SDA and the people in it way back when it was being formed. And I look pretty closely at things, so I'll stand by my comments, thanks.

If you think the Mods are out of line, please feel free to speak with ADMIN about it.

And if people think I'm unprofessional for pointing out what appears to be a big scam, so be it. Funny thing, the people involved in those questionable ventures *always* get mad at me and talk bad about me. I can't imagine why. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I have been around the SDA deal since its early days - and anyone who has can tell you it has taken a flip side probably 50 times and is nothing like it once was - I wish some of the things that were initially placed in there were there - but I have no control over those issues,

Anyways - I still don't see how some "back yard trainers" with a new organization is going to hurt or offend you in anyways - afterall if they are only going to attract "the crappers" and people who can't cut it in other sports - then it should make you happy because then you wouldn't have as many "shitters" in your prespective dog sports...

If its not an organization thats not for you - then why bother with it - thats like protesting the girlscouts for your little boy or something - or giving a monkey a football - or someone who can't make it in the PGA trying to playing in the LPGA, or natural disasters occurring all over - basically trying to make a point that other things go on in everyday life that I think people are a little more worried about - then whats going on in Will's head or who is participating in what sport or who is making a new sport - so if people want to come here and talk positive about it - then let them, stop trying to be a bully and let them post freely on topics regarding what they are trying to get information for..

Sorry for my abbusive language to any I have offended...

I have just been adivsed I broke a few rules - my bad... Offending anyone wasn't my objective - but text is hard to read into at times...

Jesse,
I've been to enough of the SDA trials to back up what I say ( I wouldn't be saying all this without direct observation, by the way ) in my mind, at least. And probably in the mind of most experienced handlers.

And the argument that other competitors will be doing SDA is kind of a straw-man argument. I'll use this as an example:

To me, the GSDCA/WDA is fairly bogus. I've found their judging to be terrible ( I've witnessed episodes of out right cheating involving some judges ), and they didn't have much in the way of membership. But when they ended up with that deal with the SV to supply half the world team, Many SchH USA members joined so that if they didn't make the SchH USA team slot ( their first choice, of course ), they'd have another shot at the team via the WDA.
There are always folks that will take the easy path to a title. That will aid an organization for growth, but not for legitimacy.

If you'd like to convince me, let's continue this via PM, this is getting boring.

My reply to the disproportionate numbers of GSDs in the competitions you mentioned, like the DM and the FCIs, would be this, GSD trainers and handlers don't really care much about those venues.

The BSP and the WUSV are the big draw. If you took the top 20 in either of those competitions and they went to the DM or the FCIs I'd wager that the standings would look different.

The DM and the FCIs have been primarily alternative breed competitions for a while now. They are the most prestigious events to show in for a lot of breeds, other than the GSD.

Overall the GSD fancy has largly ingnored the international mixed breed competitions. If you say "the Worlds" to a GSD person they'll probably assume you're talking about the WUSV. LOL

Jeff,

What you said about Therapy Dog Titles isn't entirely fair. It's not a matter of can your dog get petted or not. It involves testing with the dog in groups, in obedience, under destraction and under pressure. It's made to show that your dog is well trained and social. Something I think alot of dogs can and do benefit from. It isn't hard to train a dog to go after a sleeve (it takes skill to train them to do it properly, but that is beside the point) but to take that same dog that has been taught to bite and then to show everyone that he will put up with canes, wheelchairs and walkers without going into a fit is really something. I will never own a dog that couldn't pass a Therapy Dog evaluation. In my opinion, schutzhund gets a bad rap alot of the time from ignorant people. I havent met one yet that didnt shut up about "dangerous dogs" the minute I whipped out our therapy dog badges. So, while it may be pointless in your eyes it is a valid program and a good way to show the diversity of schutzhund breed dogs.

Ian

Kind of off-topic, but Ian, I just wonder how you were able to get therapy certification on a schutzhund dog. None of the organizations that do therapy dog certifications here will even allowthe owner of a dog that has any kind of bite training to even look at the paperwork that has to be filled out to get therapy certified.

I agree GSD people mainly hit up those 2 events - but the point I was trying to make was - people try and act like nobody is leaving GSD's and other breeds to work Mals - and the point I was making is that either the MAL group just spawned a ton of people (because they keep increasing numbers every year it seems - and by the look at the draws they get at national & international venues) they are getting either new handlers or experienced handlers joining their force... That was the point I was making..

It isn't something we can really quantify, so it isn't worth arguing over.

There's still a numberous and hardcore working GSD following, no matter how many people are showing Malinois in mixed breed competitions. That would be my point.