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#181572 - 02/19/2008 06:17 PM |
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Sarah,
I think you will be fine as you sound like you are willing to keep working hard at keeping her. I tend to agree with Mikes post from earlier.
Kids and dogs are a hard combo sometimes. I think all kids should have a pet, more a dog than anything. And with responsible parents, like you really seem to be, you children will benefit from learning from you and enjoying her.
Keep us posted and I commend you for hanging in there.
You do have the "Pack Structure" DVD don't you? It is great.
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Re: Ok, advice?
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#181584 - 02/19/2008 07:59 PM |
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Sarah,
For a different prospective on this; and probably not a very popular one at that, a single dog bite is kind of one of those things that go with a dog. While I know times and thinking change, when I was very young and ran to mother with a split lip or broken bleeding cut from playing with or teasing the dog. I always got the same response, "if you don't want to get bit, don't play with the dog". I soon learned how not to get bit and I still played with the dogs.
It was only later in life I learned that it was never the dogs fault or perhaps even my mothers fault for not showing me the way, but I did learn dog language.
It's rarely the dogs fault.
Once again, I applaud your decision.
Randy
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Re: Ok, advice?
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#181610 - 02/20/2008 05:29 AM |
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I agree - some lessons are just hard learned. I too feel that having a pet (especially a dog) teaches kids so much. I myself was raised around horse's as well as dogs and of course cats and the various numbers of rodents. I learned early on what seem to be so hard for others (and I suppose sometimes myself considering our current experiences) to grasp. For example with horse's (and dogs too) you have GOT to be aware of yourself, how you are feeling, your confidance level and what not cause they can feel it. You simply cannot go into a stall with a 1,000 pound animal w/out a certain amount of confidence about the situation otherwise you run the risk of getting your brains kicked in. The same runs true with dogs I think.
No I don't have the dvd on pack structure - although I have no doubt it's a good dvd. Just haven't aquired it as of yet. I "feel" like I have an accurate understanding of what the pack order should look like but I would probably benefit from an experts thoughts on it regardless... thanks for the reminder!
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Re: Ok, advice?
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#181619 - 02/20/2008 07:45 AM |
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I agree - some lessons are just hard learned. I too feel that having a pet (especially a dog) teaches kids so much.
No I don't have the dvd on pack structure - although I have no doubt it's a good dvd. Just haven't aquired it as of yet. I "feel" like I have an accurate understanding of what the pack order should look like but I would probably benefit from an experts thoughts on it regardless... thanks for the reminder!
I can second that. When I was 8, I approached a neighbor's dog (who was chewing on a bone, I think, duhh!) and leaned over him to pet him and he bit me on the cheek (one tooth graze) and broke the skin. Last time I ever did that! I am working really hard to make sure my 5 year old son does not 'learn' the same lesson in the fashion that I did...
Sarah, regarding the pack structure video, please get it! There are so many subtle things that you can be doing to be affirming your position as pack leader, and Ed lays them out very clearly.
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Re: Ok, advice?
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#181638 - 02/20/2008 09:33 AM |
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Sarah,
If my mom had been as proactive as you, I'm sure those hard learned lessens in life would have been easier to learn.
Good luck to you and yours.
If my dog isn't learning, I'm doing something wrong.
Randy
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Re: Ok, advice?
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#181643 - 02/20/2008 09:59 AM |
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Sarah,
For a different prospective on this; and probably not a very popular one at that, a single dog bite is kind of one of those things that go with a dog. While I know times and thinking change, when I was very young and ran to mother with a split lip or broken bleeding cut from playing with or teasing the dog. I always got the same response, "if you don't want to get bit, don't play with the dog". I soon learned how not to get bit and I still played with the dogs.
It was only later in life I learned that it was never the dogs fault or perhaps even my mothers fault for not showing me the way, but I did learn dog language.
It's rarely the dogs fault.
Once again, I applaud your decision.
Randy
Randy that reminds me of our family dog growing up. I think I never inherited that "be scared of a snarling dog" gene. I got into plenty of scraps with that bitch.
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Re: Ok, advice?
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#181678 - 02/20/2008 11:51 AM |
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However, she has show some issues with food, which we've been working on and she's been corrected EVERYTIME it happens. She will growl (really low) if anyone comes to close to her crate while she's waiting to be released, even myself on rare occasions,
Sarah;
I am glad that you are working with someone. However, the behavior that you are describing here is one of instability both in her crate (her supposed to be safe haven)and around food. You said the bite occured in the kitchen,,,,,food area.
I would not allow the dog to be out of the crate while your 4 year old is in the same room. It is just too risky.
Your dog is confused and you can't control a 4 year old.
Good Luck,
Roni
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Re: Ok, advice?
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#181693 - 02/20/2008 12:38 PM |
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However, she has show some issues with food, which we've been working on and she's been corrected EVERYTIME it happens. She will growl (really low) if anyone comes to close to her crate while she's waiting to be released, even myself on rare occasions,
Sarah;
I am glad that you are working with someone. However, the behavior that you are describing here is one of instability both in her crate (her supposed to be safe haven)and around food. You said the bite occured in the kitchen,,,,,food area.
I would not allow the dog to be out of the crate while your 4 year old is in the same room. It is just too risky.
Your dog is confused and you can't control a 4 year old.
Good Luck,
Roni
I'm confused about something - so many things seem to imply 'instability' in a dog - how does one really define 'instability'? Is a dog really unstable if they prefer to not have anyone near them while they eat? I'm not saying they aren't, I'm just wondering. It's a common phenomenon in my world, dogs and their food. I had a german shorthair who could get stupid about his food. He NEVER acted poorly any other time - as Molly never acts poorly any other time (outside of the incident w/ the four year old) - so does one behavior make for an unstable dog? Thoughts? Should this be a different topic elsewhere? I should also clarify that Molly doesn't always growl over her food - it seems to be an inconsistant event and actually hasn't happened in quite some time. The trainer didn't seem alarmed when I told her about it -as a matter of fact she just suggested we cover her while she eats and just stop any anxiety that way.
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Re: Ok, advice?
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#181703 - 02/20/2008 01:21 PM |
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Sarah, perhaps your original post was misunderstood. Do you mean that the dog sometimes growls in her crate when there is no food in there with her (which is what I gathered from your first post), or she ONLY growls when there is food in there with her?
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Re: Ok, advice?
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#181709 - 02/20/2008 01:59 PM |
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Sarah;
I would like reccommend "Ruff Love", by Susan Garrett. This book is a hands on approach to building a relationship of leadership between you and your dog. Leerburg has this book available. I would also go to the free podcast on this site and listen to laying the ground work for pack structure in your home.
This will give you a good start.
Hope this helps.
ROni
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