 Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Karen Flynn ]
#201308 - 07/10/2008 11:10 AM |
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Another perk of using ice instead of bones, is that they'll melt away rather quickly, and remove the potential for object aggression.
OT- I also take soup cans and freeze water in them to make large "icies" for the yard. The skitter across the grass quite well, my pup chases and bats them with her feet until they melt away.
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Aaron Myracle ]
#201310 - 07/10/2008 11:35 AM |
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You said two things that stand out to me (and a third that stood out to everyone else)
1. The dog was found running on the side of the road.
Is it possible he was lightly bumped by a car and now has arthritis or a healed crack in one of his back legs or hips? Maybe he is protecting his back end because it is sore. Does he allow you to handle his back end?
2. The dog's tail was docked when you got him.
I've heard of people docking tails using rubber bands or some other cruel method to "kill" the tail so it drops off. If this happened to him, maybe he is protecting his tail. Does he allow you to touch his tail at other times?
3. (Others already picked up on this) but.. you know he is aggressive and possessive over bones, and then you put him in his crate where there is a bone in it. He is probably being possessive over the bone.
3 things to think about!!! No experience with aggression personally but maybe my meager 2 cents will help.
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Karen Flynn ]
#201317 - 07/10/2008 11:56 AM |
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Hey Michael,
my crate is a wire one and I have a sheet covering over it which I leave open during the day and totally cover it at night. Don't you think that him having nothing to chew on during the day would be boring and he might chew on the cage liner?
I do think this might happen just at this stage its worth takeing a chance to see if we can change his behaviror.
This is as far has i have read so if someone said something else it will have to be after lunch.
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Michael Haddon ]
#201325 - 07/10/2008 12:28 PM |
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Karen, when you give him the bone in the crate, make sure that he gets it after he goes in, and that the moment he comes out of the crate, someone else gets the bone out before he goes back in.
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Angela Burrell ]
#201354 - 07/10/2008 03:33 PM |
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You said two things that stand out to me (and a third that stood out to everyone else)
1. The dog was found running on the side of the road.
Is it possible he was lightly bumped by a car and now has arthritis or a healed crack in one of his back legs or hips? Maybe he is protecting his back end because it is sore. Does he allow you to handle his back end?
2. The dog's tail was docked when you got him.
I've heard of people docking tails using rubber bands or some other cruel method to "kill" the tail so it drops off. If this happened to him, maybe he is protecting his tail. Does he allow you to touch his tail at other times?
3. (Others already picked up on this) but.. you know he is aggressive and possessive over bones, and then you put him in his crate where there is a bone in it. He is probably being possessive over the bone.
3 things to think about!!! No experience with aggression personally but maybe my meager 2 cents will help.
He dosen't seem to be in any pain when I touch him on his hind end or anywhere else. He lets me pet him but sometines he gets stiff or jerks and I know he wants me to stop.
Yes his tail was docked when I got him but is a little longer than a normal docked tail so I don't know it it was done by a vet or someone was mean to him. you can see it in his picture.
The bone is a real femur bone that was smoked, he is very possessive over it when they are new, but when the bone gets old which it is now he is not very concerned about it. I can leave it out of the crate and see what happens.
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Karen Flynn ]
#201364 - 07/10/2008 04:25 PM |
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So far so good for today, He didn't growl at me when I went home for lunch, did the mike bone thing again. I am leaving from work to take him for a long walk. I will keep you posted. I really hope we can fix him, he is a very sweet dog most of the time.
Thanks again for all your input, you are much appreciated.
Karen
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Karen Flynn ]
#201366 - 07/10/2008 04:27 PM |
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Karen Flynn ]
#201411 - 07/11/2008 07:46 AM |
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The bone is a real femur bone that was smoked, he is very possessive over it when they are new, but when the bone gets old which it is now he is not very concerned about it. I can leave it out of the crate and see what happens.
Karen, can you just eliminate him having a bone, at least for now until you clearly establish your position as pack leader?
Leaving him out of the crate, with a bone, is setting him up for failure, IMO. You already know that he's possessive about bones. Don't leave anything lying around that he can become possessive over.
If you need something to keep him occupied, buy a Kong and stuff w/ peanut butter, cream cheese, or fill with moist dog food and freeze and then give to him. Give it to him in his crate...
(sorry if I've repeated what's already been said. This thread is really long now and I didn't read all of it)
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#201415 - 07/11/2008 09:31 AM |
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Karen, can you just eliminate him having a bone, at least for now until you clearly establish your position as pack leader?
Yep, this is what I would do. The bone is basically a chew "toy" and Ed has written that dogs who show possessivness and agression over toys, lose those toys for good.
Leaving him out of the crate, with a bone, is setting him up for failure, IMO. You already know that he's possessive about bones. Don't leave anything lying around that he can become possessive over.
Agree again. Everything belongs to you and the dog doesn't have free access to them. You decide if and when the dog gets them.
If you need something to keep him occupied, buy a Kong and stuff w/ peanut butter, cream cheese, or fill with moist dog food and freeze and then give to him. Give it to him in his crate...
(sorry if I've repeated what's already been said. This thread is really long now and I didn't read all of it)
Ditto.  FYI: The smoked bones you see in the store aren't good for dogs. Smoking a bone is cooking a bone, which can make the them sharp and brittle and could lead to a problem. Filled kongs are a better choice.
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Re: "William's Issues"
[Re: Sarah Morris ]
#201455 - 07/11/2008 01:46 PM |
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If you are looking for something to occupy him in the crate, what we have done with our resource guarder is take a plastic cup, fill it 2/3 with water, add carrot chunks, peanut butter ball, apple, cheese... then freeze it. After it is frozen remove it from the cup and give it to the dog in the crate. Gives them something to occupy themselves for a time and when they are done there is no toy/food/bone left to guard.
Shannon
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