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#253385 - 09/24/2009 12:33 PM |
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So, let me get this straight.
As long as my dog sits calmly while some out of control dust mop is running around nipping at him/her, it'd be okay for me to kick the dog into on coming traffic or bust his skull with a walking stick or perhaps fill it's lungs with bear spray or just outright shoot it?
It's okay for me to kill the dog but my dog has no right to defend itself or territory?
Randy
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
[Re: SteveZorn ]
#253386 - 09/24/2009 12:33 PM |
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Sorry my computer lost its internet connection.
Al, what I was trying to get to is, believe what you want, but, I would check with your local law enforcement officials, animal control, or the state's attorney's office and see how they view this. Hopefully not, but, some day your dog's life could depend on that knowledge if you are in a similar situation.
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
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#253387 - 09/24/2009 12:42 PM |
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No Randy, none of those things are okay either.
You do have a right to defend yourself if in imminent danger.
In this case the other dog never attacked the op or her dog. You can glean from what she wrote that her dog had to get away from her in order to get to the other dog. Nowhere does it say that she or her dog were bit or nipped at, or were there any attempts by the small dog to do so.
As for territory, the op was out for a walk with her dog. They were not within their "territory".
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
[Re: SteveZorn ]
#253392 - 09/24/2009 01:07 PM |
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She did use the words "attacked us" Steve.
As for the word territory, would you prefer I use the words personal space?
I say the dead dogs owners learned a valuable lesson; abiet the hard way, and the op has learned that educating/training a dog is as long as the life of the dog.
As far as blame though? I'm with some (woefully few) others here, it gets laid at the door step of the dead dogs owners.
One lets a dog run free, anything and everything can happen.
I'm not going to take responsiblity for everybody elses dog.
Why would I ask the op to do so?
Randy
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
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#253394 - 09/24/2009 01:38 PM |
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As far as blame though? I'm with some (woefully few) others here, it gets laid at the door step of the dead dogs owners. ... One lets a dog run free, anything and everything can happen.
Randy
Certainly true.
But I thought (and still do) that there is more than one at fault here, and do not agree with the O.P. that "the entire situation was the unleashed dogs owner's fault...."
Both had uncontrolled dogs: bottom line for me.
JMO.
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
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#253395 - 09/24/2009 01:58 PM |
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Change a few details and it is entirely different for me.
The small dog never made physical contact with the O.P.'s dog.
I also wonder what the majority view would be if the size of the dogs were reversed and actual contact was made by the unleashed dog.
Having recently had my small, leashed dog attacked by a much larger, unleashed dog, I'm having trouble not seeing myself defend my dog to the utmost degree if I could've gotten my hands on the attacker before he retreated to his yard. 15 lbs. vs. 75 +/-.
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
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#253399 - 09/24/2009 02:39 PM |
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Another detail, though: You did not have an uncontrolled dog.
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
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#253401 - 09/24/2009 02:40 PM |
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As I said....it's a crappy situation all the way around. If the small dog had been run over by a driver that was distracted while talking on the phone, what then?
I have a feeling that all parties involved learned a valuable lesson, an awful lesson.
As for fault, each can point a finger at the other.
Two uncontrolled dogs.
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
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#253403 - 09/24/2009 02:50 PM |
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Another detail, though: You did not have an uncontrolled dog. If he had latched onto one of the bigger dog's eyeballs, and wouldn't let go on command would he be out of control then? After being rolled up and chewed on twice by a bigger dog?
Again though, in the O.P., the unleashed dog never did anything but yap.
I'm with Debbie. Crappy situation. Size and seconds make all the difference. So many what if's......
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Re: My leashed dog killed a small unleashed dog
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#253405 - 09/24/2009 02:59 PM |
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As we're hashing out details,
That was the point of my posts. Just what does one expect? How far into the dogs territory (or personal space) do you think the dog should have to put up with? Do you think your dog has to be bit first or does one have to be physically attacked before dead/or maimed is an acceptable option?
And as Michael mentioned, what if the rolls had been reversed and it had been a larger dog running you down the street? Would you feel differently about the outcome?
The op has learned her own lesson about the continually on going training of owning a dog.....other than that though?
I won't lay some quilt trip on her because of some really stupid neglectful dog owners.
Randy
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