Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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... I did marker train him with the "drop it" command. The other trainers didn't do that. And he is compliant with me with every thing except his frisbee.
What item did you use when you taught drop it?
What was the marker reward for, say, dropping the Kong?
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AJ;
The two frisbee game is marker training, using the second frisbee toss as the reward for "Drop it", outing the current frisbee. Then you can teach "we're done".
He outs frisbee on command, immediately reward by tossing the next frisbee. Repeat multiple times so that he understands that giving up thr frisbee is not a bad thing. When you're ready (you will recognize it, don't wait til he wants to quit), command "we're done", putting both frisbees away, while releasing him to be a dog (i.e. no further training). You will see that he gets both after you've done it enough.
caveat; Do not teach we're done until he enjoys two-frisbee and will drop it reliably.
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If you can take a 2.5 year old rescue and do well with her at IPO I think you are more than capable at raising a puppy.
I wish that was the only consideration. Right now I'm a better trainer than working dog handler. Learning decoy work is helping a lot.
Besides schedule and finances, I'm still desensitizing Sadie's reactivity to dogs. I know I could keep them separate and manage the situation, but it would be much easier if she would at least tolerate the other dog's presence. We're getting there; no need to hurry at this point.
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What item did you use when you taught drop it?
What was the marker reward for, say, dropping the Kong?
I used balls and his Kong to teach the drop it. I marked with a "Yes" and rewarded with pieces of hot dog. With the balls and the kong the hot dog was plenty of reward. But with the Frisbee he won't even give the hot dog a sniff if I try rewarding him for dropping the frisbee. I've tried steak with the same results as well.
Thanks for the advice everyone. I appreciate all the help. I've got to mow the lawn and then hopefully the wind around here will drop below 40mph so that I can throw him the frisbee later tonight.
I was discussing this on e-mail and Connie brought up something that I believe would work. The Balibanov method of teaching the out to a puppy.
WITH the frisbee just lock up and hold it still when the dog has it. Wait the dog out (it could take a bit) and when it gets tired of you doing nothing but hold it then mark and reward with the frisbee.
I've seen this work wonderfully with dogs that wouldn't out the sleeve. One was a nationla leve dog that got DQd for no out. Pain and pressure on this dog just didn't work. The Decoy locked up and remained motionless for almost 20 mins the first time. The dog finally released and was marked and rewarded with a rebite.
It didn't take long till the dog finally connected the release of the sleeve with knowing it would get a rebite.
Only when it was seen that the dog was "gettin it" didi they put the OUT command back in.
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I was discussing this on e-mail and Connie brought up something that I believe would work. The Balibanov method of teaching the out to a puppy.
WITH the frisbee just lock up and hold it still when the dog has it. Wait the dog out (it could take a bit) and when it gets tired of you doing nothing but hold it then mark and reward with the frisbee.
I've seen this work wonderfully with dogs that wouldn't out the sleeve. One was a nationla leve dog that got DQd for no out. Pain and pressure on this dog just didn't work. The Decoy locked up and remained motionless for almost 20 mins the first time. The dog finally released and was marked and rewarded with a rebite.
It didn't take long till the dog finally connected the release of the sleeve with knowing it would get a rebite.
Only when it was seen that the dog was "gettin it" didi they put the OUT command back in.
Bob, this is how I taught Conan to out. With Danni I was not physically strong enough to lock up. She would just shake me around! Lol. This method is my favorite and the easiest IMO.
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I guess it's up to the OP to decide if he wants frisbee to be a game or an OB exercise. Either method will work just fine and will preserve the frisbee as a reward, but two-ball is more fun for the dog.
IMHO, Ivan's dogs work great, but they don't seem to enjoy the work as much as dogs that I've seen trained in other motivational systems. Granted, I've not been exposed to as many working dogs as Bob has; just what I've seen personally with Ivan.
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LOL. I've definitely got options here! I didn't get a chance to throw his frisbee last night before it got dark and I leave tonight for a fishing trip. I'm taking Aragon with me but I'll be away from the internet and I don't know if I'll be able to really work with him on this until I get back next week.
But I do have a plan now. I appreciate everyone's advice. I'll let everyone know who it turns out. Thanks!
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