Dave, Can a dog be in DEFENSE at handlers side, then go into FIGHT, Kevin said NO!, I still wonder if it's the terminolgy keeps this subjet
being misunderstood. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> (I guess I'm in the wrong thread for this, I'm not talking about a Schutzhund K-9)
Dave I think this is the thread Kevin refers to on fight drive
Richard & Sch3Fh2
With all due respect for your expertise and knowledge. I do not agree with your conclusions on terminology being the cause of your confusion. Kevin's second to last post ditto's my conclusion.
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I've got an idea that could help to explain things.
Kevin can you describe how you bring along a good young dog, with solid prey foundation (say 12 months old, basic 100% prey work on suit or sleeve) along into adulthood and fight drive? What is the basic strategy for manipulating the dogs drives to train the dog to do real world protection work. (focusing on how you get "Fight Drive" out of your dogs)
Is that too tall of an order big guy? Trust me most of us here will frame the -F-ing thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
What is being lost is the value in the way the dog perceives the helper. From this perception springs posture and bite differences. Not vise versa. There is no magic bullet on how to train a dog to have defense or to have fight. A drive is a response to a stimuli. Genetics and training determines what drive is evoked by that stimuli. You train it by systematically introducing controlled pressure and rewarding the desired behavior.
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Vince:"Genetics and training determines what drive is evoked by that stimuli. You train it by systematically introducing controlled pressure and rewarding the desired behavior."
Exactly, and if someone decided to give a brief step-by-step of HOW you introduce the controlled pressure and in what ways specifically to evoke the desired response to achieve your training goals, then maybe it would answer Dave's question in a more direct way.
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