Ellen is correct - sable is dominant to all other coat colors in the GSD. Bicolor is next - it is dominant to the B/T saddle and the solid black. Some geneticists disagree that the bicolor and the saddle are different alleles - they argue that they are the same allele with different modifiers affecting the amount of tan on the dog. Black is recessive to all other colors in the GSD (there is a dominant B allele, but it is not present in the GSD). Sable is common simply because it is dominant; however, I think the characteristic red and black German show dog is a result of a few extremely popular stud dogs and influential breeders (the Martin brothers) who established a "type" that other breeders wanted to emulate. The Canto-Quanto-Mutz triumvirate is the foundation of all the modern show dogs and two of them were red and black, and I believe Mutz was a bicolor?
Originally posted by Todd E. Gaster: I am curious I have 2 litters due in the next week. Wonder what the ratio will be. What color are the parents and what color were they're parents?
I am fairly new to this board, and have been lurking more than posting, but this topic caught my eye, so here goes. I have to admit to not reading each individual reply thoroughly so if I am repeating a question already asked/answered please let me know.
I own a GSD female of West German lines - showlines. I am planning on purchasing another male puppy later this year, also of these lines. What I look for in these lines, besides appearance, temperament, and health, is drive. These lines are made up of SchH2 and SchH3's, KKL1as, as well as the V and Va ratings. Wouldn't this make it evident that these lines are capable of doing a job besides looking pretty? Thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Todd, if you are breeding sables you are gonna get sable. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I'm going to go out on a limb here and stick by my earlier post. Sable dogs may be the most popular or getting to be the most popular, but I still think that most working line dogs are Black and Tan. It also might have something to do with my definition of Black and Tan. Here is a link to a dog that I consider Black and Tan, that others have said is a Sable- Wrongo bongo. He may have some sable hairs like most GSDs, but if you have a saddle you are a black and tan.
I don't have any proof, but I don't think that the sables are the most common. If I had to guess between the % I would go like this. Just a quess mind you. Am I crazy?
Sable 36%
Black and Tan 39%
Bi-color 20%
Black 5%
One other think, I don't think GSD color is a simple thing. You may say that Sable is dominate, but me thinks that is an over simplification.
Now now Van Camp...Of course I am going to get sables.LOL.
I am curious about the ratio though. The four litters I mentioned were...
a) sable to bi
b) sable to sable
c) sable to sable
d) sable to sable
Personally I like the dark sables. I think the are PRETTY <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
But, as I think was mentioned somewhere in this thread, I don't give a rip what the dog looks like as long as it can work. I might even lower myself to one of those white abominations some people call GSDs if they could work.
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