Robert VanCamp Webboard User Reg: 11-28-2001
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Todd, you are correct the difference in titles is only a minor part of the difference in the lines, but it is important because you clearly see the different goals of breeding. What is the main focus of the Czech titles? They are a foundation for work, and that is the way most people that train for them view them. Not exactly so with Schutzhund as it has evolved in West Germany. But, like I said that is changing now in the South Eastern European countries that formerly were mostly interested in their own methods and titles.
Part of the problem is people are now interested in going to Worlds. ZVV/SVV won't get you there. YOu have to compete in SchH and IPO for WUSV, FCI. So you are losing some of the root training and philosopihies that lie in the Czech lines. There are a handful still breeding and training the old way.
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John #4, nice point. Plenty of Czech washout crap has been imported and you will see what I mentioned earlier which can reflect on the rest of the line.
John you made mention of the Czech lines carrying conformation problems. Are you atalking an actual funtional problem or just something the conformation people don't like?
Thank you, John, for your comprehensive reply. Makes sense.
Unfortunately, the now growing interest in Czech dogs, or even part Czech, (ie, the litter from whence came my pup sold out immediately, and not cheap!) is in my mind, "not a good thing". No offence meant to serious breeders, but from my experience, fads tend to bring out the opportunists.
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No functional problems overall. "Functional problems" is a farse, I have seen very poor conformation dogs, or even dogs with disabilities, do very long hard work.
John Haudenshield Webboard User Reg: 07-12-2001
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Tiggy2,
Pretty much stuff that conformation people don't like; ie; a soft ear, missing a tooth, straight front, etc...
I spoke with Jiri Novotny once via e-mail and he said a few of the older police lines had some of these problems. I gather these arise primarily from breeding dogs strictly for work. Kind of like the sometimes goofey looking xMH (mixed Malinois) of the KNPV. Of course dogs with these cosmetic flaws were not always used for breeding, but I'm sure some were, based on their work. It's a stretch to stereotype a line based on a few soft ears or a handful of cryptorchids. JMHO.
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BTW, well said VanCamp.
Form follows Function. Obviously, what is out there working 8,10 or 12 hrs a day in Herding, LE Patrol work, or SAR is functioning, even if it is not in line with someones cognitive blueprint of what a GSD SHOULD be. Drives, Temperament and Character...far more important than anything else.
John Haudenshield
Drives, Temperament and Character...far more important than anything else.
In my opinion, if you get a great looking dog be glad, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> so long as it doesn't take a way the workability. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Just my thoughts! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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