Barbara Schuler wrote 02/14/2011 08:08 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Michael_Wise ] #316596 - 02/14/2011 08:08 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	Perhaps every 2.5 years her life hits a bored, static low period and she pops in to kick a sleeping dog just to liven things up a bit? ....Cause really, if someone was that talented and capable, it would seem that they would stick around and help other folks, doesn't it?
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Dana Martin wrote 02/14/2011 08:24 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #316598 - 02/14/2011 08:24 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	Seriously, and be willing to answer the questions put to her, which obviously she isn't. Maybe with a prong collar and some marker training she might learn.... Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Barbara Schuler wrote 02/14/2011 08:30 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Dana Martin ] #316599 - 02/14/2011 08:30 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	Quote: Dana Martin Maybe with a prong collar and some marker training she might learn.... I dunno... we might have to go straight to the..... (dark, scary, evil music) e-collar! Bwahahahahahaaaa! (Just teasing the OP - no need to call PETA).
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Connie Sutherland wrote 02/14/2011 08:36 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #316600 - 02/14/2011 08:36 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: barbara schuler ... really, if someone was that talented and capable, it would seem that they would stick around and help other folks, doesn't it? I know I need help. I can't convince my dogs that my body language is motivational. They think "positive motivation" is supposed to involve some kind of "reward" for them. I don't know .... where did I fail? "New research in dog behavior has shown motivational as oppossed to compulsion is more successful. " New? NEW? What rock was this person under during the years that marker training has been sweeping through the various venues ... ? Jillian, what does "motivational" mean to you? I think "motivational" can be either "positive motivational" or "negative motivational." That is, reward-based, or punishment-based. Most people mean "reward-based" when they shorten it to just "motivational." The handler's body language isn't generally classified as a reward for the dog. If you're serious, and not a troll, you might want to check out marker training. eta And now if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go watch Will's link a couple dozen more times. http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/204495/page/0#Post204495 Edited by Connie Sutherland (02/14/2011 08:43 PM) Edit reason: eta
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Dana Martin wrote 02/14/2011 08:43 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #316601 - 02/14/2011 08:43 PM
Dana Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-13-2010 Posts: 790 Loc: Bothell, WA Offline	Quote: Barbara Schuler  Quote: Dana Martin Maybe with a prong collar and some marker training she might learn.... I dunno... we might have to go straight to the..... (dark, scary, evil music) e-collar! Bwahahahahahaaaa! (Just teasing the OP - no need to call PETA). Oh oh oh!!! Can I choose the setting??? Please, pretty please???? Here Decoy, Decoy, Decoy!
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Barbara Schuler wrote 02/14/2011 08:49 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #316602 - 02/14/2011 08:49 PM
Barbara Schuler Webboard User Reg: 01-15-2009 Posts: 5090 Loc: Lanexa Virginia Offline	I'm confident in saying that if someone was able to count the number of posts in which a prong collar was recommended as a first recommendation vs how many posts concentrate on positive reinforcement (marker training) with NO corrections until a behavior has been trained under every level of distraction, the number of posts suggesting marker training would significantly outnumber those on prong collars. The vast majority of folks here understand how they are to be used and what an effective, humane tool they are. Anyone who thinks LB is all about "corrections" - honestly hasn't spent any real time on the forum...
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Jenny Arntzen wrote 02/14/2011 08:54 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Barbara Schuler ] #316605 - 02/14/2011 08:54 PM
Jenny Arntzen Webboard User Reg: 12-06-2010 Posts: 721 Loc: British Columbia, Canada Offline	Thanks for the laughs! Please OP, come back and share your wisdom with us! I really, really, really want to see the videos! Is the body language a happy dance? Or wagging a forefinger in admonishment? I tried praise only, but I couldn't run Jethro down to praise him when he was bolting across the field to 'meet' a little white dog.
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Kelly Byrd wrote 02/14/2011 09:20 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Jenny Arntzen ] #316607 - 02/14/2011 09:20 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	I'm way behind on my leerburg reading... My Dad just got a rott/dobe cross. A real monster, weighing in at a trim 120lbs! (GASP!!!) Anyways, he's always been in the 'evil prong collar' crowd, and used a 'nicer choke chain' Last night I did a little demonstration on his thigh. His dogs choke chain with a mild pop of the leash, and Koenig's prong collar with a mild pop of the leash. I guess he went out today and bought a HS prong. Good Daddy.
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randy allen wrote 02/14/2011 09:30 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #316611 - 02/14/2011 09:30 PM
randy allen Webboard User Reg: 08-30-2007 Posts: 3283 Loc: Offline	Don't know. Guess I'm going to just keep jerking my dogs around on the pinch collar seeing as the 'motivational' trainer isn't willing to help me.
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Lauren Jeffery wrote 02/14/2011 09:36 PM Re: Pinch Collars [Re: randy allen ] #316613 - 02/14/2011 09:36 PM
Lauren Jeffery Webboard User Reg: 01-16-2010 Posts: 1389 Loc: Offline	I'm tired from work and my dog is all ready to rock out. So I gave her a frozen peanut butter filled marrow bone and she laid down. No abuse neccesary. Is that motivational training or what.
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