Quote: jeannie oakley

I could not help but comment on this discussion seeing it involves me. As I looked at your profile, I see nothing that states you are a dog trainer or behaviorist. It is extremely unprofessional of you to make a judgement call on a case study on aggression you know nothing about. Since you didn't ask ANY questions regarding this case let me bring you up to speed..

I feel like I'm late to this party. It's been a busy weekend around here but since I was addressed by name I thought I'd take a minute to answer back.

You're right. I'm not a behaviorist, or a "professional dog trainer". Truth be told I'm not much of a dog trainer nor do I claim to me, that is the main difference between you and I. There are far, FAR more talented individuals on this board in the realm of dog training than I am. But you see... for the context of this discussion that DOES NOT matter. This song isn't about me and my qualifications, it's about YOU and what makes YOU qualified to give advice about anything involving a client's plan for their dog.

In my opinion people in this world should have to justify their opinions either with experience or by citing a reputable source for that opinion. I do this with my doctor, my vet, my teachers, and yes, with people I seek dog advise from. So when the OP brought up the statement that the trainer told them to have their dog neutered and what we thought of it I asked the two most important questions "What reasons were given, and was the person qualified to give that advise?" No judgment at that point involved.

So the followup to that question brought up your name so I tried to find what made YOU qualified to supply advise related to dogs. So I checked your credentials and what you apparently had learned. I saw no coursework in animal behavior but I did see a lot related to rescue which is fine but not a qualification toward behavior modification or training, and a week long section in your school related to aggression. I never said even beyond that you weren't qualified to make that judgment, I just questioned your qualifications to make that judgment. There is a difference.

I do hope you stick around. Even if we disagree there is value to the discussion as we examine the thought.

Cheers y'all,

Melissa
~unemployed dog groomer and part time pooper scooper since 2005 LLC~

Michael,
this thread has been read and re-read by many people and I think that anyone who put their time into it understands that you only used the ecollar once and then stopped. I think that this is more about who Jeannie is and is not. How are things going? Have you been able to get in touch with the Schutzhund people?

Wow, still on the lazer light? Wear your title proud Steve, wear it proud. For people with "titles" all you can come up with is the fact that my husky loves to chase a lazer light that is shined on a floor. Really?! Stability Training is the most successful training I offer, thanks for looking at my site again *wink*

Aw play nice now.
If you think this thread is just about that stupid laser, which by the way is not only a very dangerous toy for the dog it is also the laziest of ways I can think of to give the dog exercise and entertainment it requires for health, if you think it's just the laser then you best reread the thread Jeannie.

 Quote: randy allen

Aw play nice now.
If you think this thread is just about that stupid laser, which by the way is not only a very dangerous toy for the dog it is also the laziest of ways I can think of to give the dog exercise and entertainment it requires for health, if you think it's just the laser then you best reread the thread Jeannie.

Now I am a lazy and it is the only exercise I give my dog *sigh* Really? Randy,,,how do you come up with these conclusions? My dogs get plenty of exercise and are very well balanced. But, thanks for making that assumption for a board so based of "facts". Good Job! I also exercise daily, skate, rollerblade with my dogs, camp and hike with them, and eat healthy. Lazy, not a chance. But again....thanks for the tidbit... Randy

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 Quote: jeannie oakley

I could not help but comment on this discussion seeing it involves me. As I looked at your profile, I see nothing that states you are a dog trainer or behaviorist. It is extremely unprofessional of you to make a judgement call on a case study on aggression you know nothing about. Since you didn't ask ANY questions regarding this case let me bring you up to speed..

I feel like I'm late to this party. It's been a busy weekend around here but since I was addressed by name I thought I'd take a minute to answer back.

You're right. I'm not a behaviorist, or a "professional dog trainer". Truth be told I'm not much of a dog trainer nor do I claim to me, that is the main difference between you and I. There are far, FAR more talented individuals on this board in the realm of dog training than I am. But you see... for the context of this discussion that DOES NOT matter. This song isn't about me and my qualifications, it's about YOU and what makes YOU qualified to give advice about anything involving a client's plan for their dog.

In my opinion people in this world should have to justify their opinions either with experience or by citing a reputable source for that opinion. I do this with my doctor, my vet, my teachers, and yes, with people I seek dog advise from. So when the OP brought up the statement that the trainer told them to have their dog neutered and what we thought of it I asked the two most important questions "What reasons were given, and was the person qualified to give that advise?" No judgment at that point involved.

So the followup to that question brought up your name so I tried to find what made YOU qualified to supply advise related to dogs. So I checked your credentials and what you apparently had learned. I saw no coursework in animal behavior but I did see a lot related to rescue which is fine but not a qualification toward behavior modification or training, and a week long section in your school related to aggression. I never said even beyond that you weren't qualified to make that judgment, I just questioned your qualifications to make that judgment. There is a difference.

I do hope you stick around. Even if we disagree there is value to the discussion as we examine the thought.

Cheers y'all,

Melissa
~unemployed dog groomer and part time pooper scooper since 2005 LLC~

Thank you Melissa,

Thank you for an adult response. Of the one post I thought would not, you did. My apologies to you.

Melissa,

Apparently my response didn't show. What I said was.. Thank you for an adult response to a post. You should like a great person and I appreciate your feedback. My apologies to you.

So the point of using a laser light is?
I don't really care how you play with your dog. If however you actually recomend the use of that nasty bit of technology for doggie play, you deserve to be called out on it.

Now to the op questions about neutering her dog. To refresh everyones memory here is where we started.
"i dident realy want to get my dog fixed yet but the new trainer i went to said i realy should he is 9 months old and i was hopeing that anyonne who has followed any of my other posts would reply to this from what i have read this will not make his problems go away." unquote

Now Jeannie would you care to refresh our memories on where you stand on this question?

 Quote: randy allen

So the point of using a laser light is?
I don't really care how you play with your dog. If however you actually recomend the use of that nasty bit of technology for doggie play, you deserve to be called out on it.

Now to the op questions about neutering her dog. To refresh everyones memory here is where we started.
"i dident realy want to get my dog fixed yet but the new trainer i went to said i realy should he is 9 months old and i was hopeing that anyonne who has followed any of my other posts would reply to this from what i have read this will not make his problems go away." unquote

Now Jeannie would you care to refresh our memories on where you stand on this question?

Sure Randy, I'd love to.

To answer your first question. My response came from a direct quote from the owner during our first initial session which was when asked why he isn't neutered the response was "he is so beautiful and would make great puppies". What Michael wrote was

"i dident realy want to get my dog fixed yet but the new trainer i went to said i realy should he is 9 months old and i was hopeing that anyonne who has followed any of my other posts would reply to this from what i have read this will not make his problems go away." What the board saw was me responding to his question about neutering as "neuter your dog to stop his aggression". That is not what I said... the response about neutering was due to the fact that the only reason he wasn't neutered was because "he'd make beautiful puppies". Therefore, I could not justify breeding this dog for that reason seeing there are too many dog in the world as it it.

To answer your other question: I do not see in one area that I have ever recommended a lazer light to anyone. It was a simple quotation under a picture that had nothing to do with training. A simple quote under a picture. If you read something else out of it, I can't see how. I have never recommended it. My dog seems to like it, she isn't OCD. She is actually much calmer than many huskies. She also loves to run, go on hikes, loves other dogs and people. We've had our dogs since 8 weeks old and they are all very well balanced. She, along with my other two, are sweet dogs. I love them, and God forbid, play with them. Does that help you? Does it?