Natalie, Go get a cat and a goldfish. Try training them for 6 months as you train your dog. Then you might understand what I mean about dogs being hardwired to want to work with us. Or why don't you start a new thread and explain to the forum how dogs don't have any predisposition to work with a pack leader (i.e, us)
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what does pack drive have to do with corrections?
and i don't think dogs are hardwired to work with us either. if that was the case no one would spend energy on motivation.
This, obviously, is based on your wealth of experience. You are arguing with someone (Mara) who has a lifetime of experience studying and training dogs. The thousands-year-old process of domesticating dogs HAS hardwired them to work with humans.
If there waqs a way to correct whales, humans WOULD HAVE found it. Besides, as Mara said, dogs ain't whales!
really?
i was trying to be polite and not point out some of the things she said that were off base but you started it.
what i'm saying is based on what i read from people with with experience. Ed is one (that says dogs won't work for praise alone). and there's a few others.
so exactly how are they "hardwired"?
so you're saying humans don't correct the whales ONLY because they couldn't come up with a way to?
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anyway, someone explained to me how the whales are trained, they're trained by being denied the basic necessities and have to work to get them. NILIF in a hardcore way.
same way i "trained" my turtle to eat out of her tank. she wants to eat - she gets out of the tank and plops into a dish with food.
i should've stopped this as soon as i got the explanation. i didn't come her to fight with anyone.
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Dogs have been hardwired by being selectively bred to perform specific tasks for humans. As I said, thousands of years of domestication...
So you read some articles and that makes you more informed than someone who's been living dogs for years? I've been on this forum with Mara for a couple of years, and she is rarely off base. We even have some idealogical differences, but she knows what she's doing. Can't say the same for you. You should aspire to learn just what Mara has forgotten about training dogs.
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for the third time, for the ones that can't read. i must've misunderstood what she meant by "hardwired".
it still doesn't explain what them being hardwired to work for us (whatever that means in this context) has anything to do with them needing corrections.
and whales NOT being hardwired NOT needing corrections.
where's the relationship.
do me a favor, don't tell me what you think of my knowledge and i won't tell you what I think of yours. you can aspire to learn to anyone's level you wish and i will set my own goals.
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A year later I will still tell you I know nothing.
That doesn't mean that I should be told that I should listen to anyone (no offense to Mara, you brought her into this conversation) and not be able to argue and that my POV means nothing because of it.
I have no experience but I do know a lot in theory. I raised my daughter for 19 years. That makes me more experienced than someone with no kids that read a ton about it?
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