Carl,

You have made your comments. I don't care to hear from you again. You came here for "one and only one reason". That is to try and justify Hanrahans actions. You kicked that cat and now you're done.

Your comments are drop dead stupid. The only one who is up anyone's ass is you and it's Hanrhgans ass you're up.

Nothing you have said changes the video.

If the president of USA had any integrity (which I don't feel he has) he would step up and suspend Hanrahan. If the board of directors had any integrity (which I don't think they have) they would insist that Hanrahan is suspended.

Carl - people like you make me sick to my stomach. You and Hanrahan are a insult to the sport of Schutzhund.

Just in case you are still reading this thread Carl I will try and make this very clear.

If you feel the trial was held improperly, file charges.

If Gary or anyone else felt that the trial was held improperly they should of filed charges.

YOU DO NOT RUN OVER TRACKS. There is absolutely no excuse to disrupt a trial.

Come on, it's not rocket science.

 Quote: carl randall

That's what the BOI and maybe the Board has to do and that takes a while. I'm sure you want them to make a correct decision no matter your personal feelings or conclusions. I know I do in the interest of a sport I became involved in only six months or so ago. As a new member, I trust them to make the right decision when they have ALL the facts.

Carl,
hearing that you've been involved in the sport only six months explains things to me - if you had any experience with SchH USA and it's poor leadership, you'd realize that the BOI will simply ignore bad behavior on some of it's members part, as it has done *repeatedly* in the past.

Trusting SchH USA to "to make the right decision when they have ALL the facts." .....well, good luck on that, and I'm sure that they're hoping that they'll continue to get new naive members like yourself to replace the members that will leave in disgust over this.

Carl,

6 months in the sport????

And you have become such a Hanrahan supporter. Very interesting.

What sport did you come from? Hockey? Ultimate fighting? Kick boxing?

My USA membership shows I have been a member since 1976 - that's 32 years - or 31 years 6 months longer than you.

I have watched Gary Hanrahan's behavior in the sport for 32 years. It has built to this video. He needs to go.

Carl: For just a moment think about if you were entered in that trial. Let's say you have no involvement between the two men, are not a member of the host club. So you have been training your dog getting ready for the trial, spending the money on entry fees, gas, etc.. All for this crap to happen? See, it just wasn't the club that was effected by Gary's actions. Irregardless of who's right and who's wrong regarding the tracking grounds, what about the poor slob just trying to get through a trial and title his/her dog! It's hard enough dealing with trial jitters without this crap. They didn't ask for it and they SURE AS HELL didn't deserve it! You know who else didn't deserve it? Rinus, the judge from Belgium. How embarassing for him to see adults behaving like this. How tacky.
This should have been handled better is the bottom line.

Susan,

Your words are well spoken about the person who trains their dog for the love of training. For the 32 years I have been around this sport I have always felt the value of schutzhund was not the politics or the winning of events but rather the joy one gets from showing off the relationship between their dog.

But I must disagree with your position of this judge. As a judge this man (Riinus) failed his responsibility. He should have stepped forward and acted like a judge. He should have acted like a leader. He should have asked for the police to come. I don't care if he is from Belgium, Holland, Germany or America - he should have called the police.

And Gary Hanrahan should either be suspended from Schutzhund USA or kicked out of Schutzhund USA. My vote is to kick him out !!!! This sport is not about people like Gary Hanrahan. This sport is about people who love to train their dogs and Garry Hanrahan is an insult to those people who love to train their dogs.

I ask anyone who is reading this thread to go watch this video. Look at Mr. Hanrahan's face in the video. Is this the face of a competitor? Is this the face of someone who just found out that the owner of these tracking fields had not given permission for a schutzhund event?

That's not what I see in the video. I see someone who is trying to threaten people !!! I see what I interprate as HATE !!! Mr Hanrahan should be kicked out of Schutzund USA - but then I am only a member of USA and as a member can only make my position known.

If the President of USA and the board of directors of USA refuse to kick Mr Hanrahan out then they should be voted out of office because they do not deserve to be called OFFICERS in a sport where people love to train their dogs.

 Quote: susan tuck

.... For just a moment think about if you were entered in that trial. .... So you have been training your dog getting ready for the trial, spending the money on entry fees, gas, etc.. All for this crap to happen? ....

I'd cry.

Anyoone out there (that is new to dog training) looking for a fun dog sport I recommend staying away from Schutzhund USA.

You would be better advized to look at the Mondio Ring Sport. This is a small sport that the dogs love. It does not have the political problems that schutzhund has.

Bottom line is to ask yourself if you really want to support and be a part of an organization that allows things like this to go on? That's an easy answer.

At my SchH USA club--at club level, we all get along very well. I have only been a member of SchH USA coming up on a year. Any organization that grows, IMO, goes through changes--growing pains and upheavals in its ability to continue to grow and/or function. Ed, I'm sure you can relate to that with Leerburg growing and changing over the years.

To top that, sometimes a company or an organization does in fact get a few in power whose screws aren't necessarily tightened down. It is not feasible for me to travel to a mondio ring club at this time. There are no DVG clubs in my area (but that does not mean one can't be started). I will be discussing this possiblity with my club.

I do not know the specifics of the "good ol' boys club" that SchH USA has been or has become...I do know in NO WAY shape or form do I support what Gary Hanrahan did...

This has a feeling to me similiar to the railroad industry where I used to work. People in power will stay there, then they get booted and there is an upheaval, or they stay...and the trains continue to move.

Michele,
This has nothing to do with *growth* - SchH USA has suffered from corruption and croneyism for *decades*.

If you "do not know the specifics of the "good ol' boys club" that SchH USA has been or has become" - for cripes sakes, learn about it then!

I've dropped out of two SchH organizations due to corruption or poor ethics by their leadership. Those orgainzations stay in business because of members that don't care - their leadership is counting on it.

It's a shame that people put up with things like that because they either don't care or they have some excuse about not being able to find a club.

If you don't stand up for what you believe, you become part of the problem.
And by silently standing by when bad ethics are constantly displayed by an organiazition that you belong to, you've said a lot without even speaking.