Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#234586 - 04/02/2009 05:42 PM |
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Please post back the results of this meal, too. I'd probably give a bland-food meal or two if there is more liquid poop.
Not that it's tricky to get the right meat-bone balance going --- it's just that he has had some considerable period of soft stools on both kibble and now a couple on raw, and soothing his gut for a day might be a good (and easy) thing.
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#234589 - 04/02/2009 06:02 PM |
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Just continue the way I am or something else to un-inflame this poor little guy?
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
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#234600 - 04/02/2009 07:34 PM |
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Just continue the way I am or something else to un-inflame this poor little guy?
If I still saw the runs tomorrow, and I knew that he had no parasite problem, I'd consider a day or even two of a soothing-food diet. I wouldn't stay with it for long with a growing puppy (without the calcium from bones), but I'd consider it just to get his gut soothed.
Do you have white rice in the house? I know that you have skinless white poultry and plain yogurt, so that might be the only thing you don't have on hand.
You could throw a couple of handfuls into a pot of unheated water to sit overnight, in fact, just in case. You would still have to cook it (because the basis is very very soupy overcooked white rice and its cooking water), but the binding properties of the rice would start to leach into the water overnight. Then you would use that same water tomorrow to make the gruel.
If it's not needed, then you could toss it (or cook it in changed water for people-food).
It's just that the runs have been kind of ongoing. It's hard to keep tinkering with meat/bone when he didn't start the new diet with a clean slate, so to speak, anyway.
I'm kind of thinking out loud, so the more thoughts posted from others (Cindy? Michael? Mike? Sarah? You other raw experts?), the better.
OTOH, all might be completely resolved with the next poop!
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#234601 - 04/02/2009 07:38 PM |
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P.S. There was no more mucus, right? Just the one time? THen it just became mixed formed-and-liquid?
BTW, the dog is fine, right? Happy, healthy, energetic? (I am sure that you'd have said so otherwise.)
Poop issues are very different when they happen with an otherwise robust dog -- FAR less worrying.
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#234602 - 04/02/2009 07:42 PM |
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I was wondering about fasting if this doesn't resolve. Just for a day. Has this already been done and I missed it? I would probably fast and then, for this dog, do a day or 2 on the rice/bland chicken etc before moving back slowly into raw.
Teagan!
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
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#234604 - 04/02/2009 07:55 PM |
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No, it hasn't been done. I'm a big believer in a little fasting for resting the gut, but then he was on half-size meals, and ..... I kept starting to say it, and then not saying it .....
.... but you know, even a growing puppy can fast for a day.
I am going to ask Cindy to opine here.
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
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#234605 - 04/02/2009 08:06 PM |
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http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/diarrhea.html#Changes
Here is a url that has different pictures of poop (I know, I know) that are runny.
I re-read some of my posts from last year when mine had some drops of blood. She had been on raw for about 1.5 months and apparently had a couple of drops of watery blood. She had gotten into pancakes and eaten them and I suspected that. It apparently cleared up within a day or two with no intervention except for rice and chicken.
I also remember now that I book marked this page because the pics are so very descriptive if you have a sick pup.
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
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http://www.thepetcenter.com/exa/diarrhea.html#Changes
Here is a url that has different pictures of poop (I know, I know) that are runny.
I re-read some of my posts from last year when mine had some drops of blood. She had been on raw for about 1.5 months and apparently had a couple of drops of watery blood. She had gotten into pancakes and eaten them and I suspected that. It apparently cleared up within a day or two with no intervention except for rice and chicken.
I also remember now that I book marked this page because the pics are so very descriptive if you have a sick pup.
That's a good site for things like that (including their worms-in-poop photos).
In the case of this lil guy's most recent one, I was picturing the bottom one (neurogenic).
Also, this is a good paragraph:
....... switching to a different (and even better) brand of food can trigger diarrhea. The usual reason for this sudden shift to watery, frequent stool passage relates to the imbalance within the GI flora that is triggered by new substrates on which the GI flora grow and reproduce. Change the "food source" for the intestinal flora and the numbers and combinations of bacteria that were previously living in harmony with one another are now shifted in all sorts of ways. Gas producing bacteria are called fermentative organisms and these are promoted by grain based (carbohydrate) substances such as corn and barley and wheat. Putrefactive bacteria do not produce gas as readily as fermentative bacteria and these organisms are promoted by the feeding of meat based products such as chicken, beef, and lamb.
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
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#234617 - 04/02/2009 09:14 PM |
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So, this would explain why it's not quite so stinky? And also less gas?
Probably when I had the problem last year, it was the pancakes now that I read that.
Ok, no more hijack, back to the new pup.
Where's the video?
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Re: Ready to start Raw...couple questions
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#234625 - 04/02/2009 10:11 PM |
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Sorry about the delay in getting back but I had a business dinner that I needed to attend to.
To answer questions now.
No more mucous - only that one time.
He's energetic, rambunctious, and acting normal.
I don't have any white rice in the house but I can pick some up tomorrow and make it for his dinner with some cooked chicken and yogurt.
For the morning I was thinking of fasting him and just giving him
some water with a little yogurt in it.
From the looks of the pics of the dog diarrhea his stools look more like the one in the "bacteria" picture less all the chunks. Given what it states in the paragraph, maybe a trip to the vet is in order? He was cleared of parasites and dewormed.
He may also be coming down with a case of pano - he's been limping a little and there has been not strenuous activity that could account for the limp. He just woke up with it a couple days ago (the morning after his first raw meal).
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