What a very, very interesting this thread has been, hasn't it?

I don't remember another where the OP has flipped-flopped from one post to the next as much as this individual has.

What I've come to realize is that my momentary, optimistic hope that perhaps all of the advice might actually sink in and save these poor dogs, this is simply not going to happen. In spite of all the advice from Willie who DOES WORK WITH LSGDs, and all the other advice from those of you who are familiar with dog aggession and how it can and can not be fixed, nothing which we have offered can be construed to be of any value. At least not according to the last post - the one a few hours ago was 180 degrees different. Just like was the fact that her Anatolian would kill the Aussie, then a few posts later, no he would not really do that. Just like the fact that she is comfortable controlling "alpha/macho" dogs but then doesn't have the stomach for being the pack leader or working obedience... Etc,.etc, etc...

Good grief, how can ANYONE help someone whose story changes by the hour and who refuses to see the forest for the trees? (What is that T-shirt I've seen around... something to the effect of "I'm happy in my own little world. Everyone knows me here"...)

It is the dogs who will continue to suffer in this case. I also know if it weren't for the desire by each of us to help these dogs, it would have been us who said "I'm outta here" about 40 hours ago.

 Quote: Lauren Jeffery

This is really childish of me, but I can't help myself:

Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!

Lauren, I sooo wanted to say the exact same thing!!! LOL!

Yeah we're a bunch of no nothings merrily typing away because we have no lives.

Good luck. I hope the dog doesn't have to pay with it's life before you make the right decision.

You want to keep the dog? Here's my best advice for you, build a cote in the backyard get him some sheep to keep and sleep with, then everyone will live happily ever after.

Oh, and before I sign off on this thread Sonya, get your statements and thinking correct.
The dogs may show guarding behaviors as early as 6 months or a year old in the field, BUT they are also learning from and being backed up by an older seasoned dog. They are not mature or wholly independent before 2 years minimum and more likely closer to three years old. You still have a baby, a man child.
Think of me/us however you want, but at least stop deluding yourself.

Personally, I think this thread could use some Care Bears.

 Quote: Michael_Wise

Personally, I think this thread could use some Care Bears.

Whew. I was mentally casting around for what was needed ... Bingo!

This should do it...

 Quote: lauren jeffery

.... I hope to God that this works out okay for the dogs involved.

Folks who shop for just the answers they want are very discouraging to experienced people trying to help.

There's nothing breed-specific about the extreme error of keeping fence-fighting DA dogs in x-pens in full view of each other, having "family time."

The people who managed to stick it out did so for the sake of the dogs. That was my reason for dropping out, too: to eliminate an excuse for not listening.

Very basic and serious mistakes were/are being made, and the old pattern of "my dogs are going to kill each other" to "he's not so bad" to "you people don't understand" (as was pointed out in more than one PM) was in full sway. (As Barbara points out: "Just like was the fact that her Anatolian would kill the Aussie, then a few posts later, no he would not really do that. Just like the fact that she is comfortable controlling "alpha/macho" dogs but then doesn't have the stomach for being the pack leader or working obedience...")

The "you people don't understand" part seems often to take the form of a last-ditch flailing attempt to say that everything is breed-specific, and only breed-specific help is needed.

(In point of fact, there were at least two folks on the thread with a lot of experience with the breed and more than that with a ton of DA experience and expertise; advice-shopping* gets rid of many of the experts pretty fast, because their time is better spent giving advice where it where it will actually be heeded. )

The thread has made for real anxiety and concern for those poor dogs --- dogs who are expected to "cooperate," based on all the good things done for their species in the past:

 Quote: Sonya Anderson

I have made a lot of personal sacrifices for dogs in my lifetime, I pay the bills and I put the food in their mouths, I have the right to expect a little cooperation.

*skipping all but the replies that can be interpreted to mean that they back up what the owner wants to do but knows on some unconscious level is not the right choice for the dog

 Quote: Michael_Wise

Personally, I think this thread could use some Care Bears.

YEAHHHH!!! Thank you Michael!!! I was getting ready to look up the blanket picture for a good laugh and warm, fuzzy, feelings - this saved me from searching.

If a young Anatolian is dog aggressive can he co-exist with care bears? Would he stand up to the blue one without the guidance of a mature Anatolian?

Would a reproduction Michael Wise mug shot afghan be enough to aggitate him into protection dog status? I hope Sonya sticks around, I have a lot of questions and no credentials.

 Quote: steve strom

... Would a reproduction Michael Wise mug shot afghan be enough to aggitate him into protection dog status? ...

In my opinion, yes.