I recently purchased the dogtra NCP for my 2 yr old GSD. I'm Living in Ireland and he is a german import. Cyber's tempermant i have to say is 110%, he loves kids and adores our first baby who is 5months old. I introduced her gradually to Cyber gradually bit by bit everday and there is no jealously whats so ever there. We adore Cyber to bits, and he is very good with obedience in general. I also purchased other stuff from Ed liek the prong collar, leash etc and found them excellent. Just cant buy this high quality training equipment here in Ireland. Anyhow prior to using the e-collar, when off leash i could not trust Cyber for recall etc even though he well understands the instructions as i started all his training in my back garden and obeys each time there. Now with the ecollar i can leave him off the leash and even without using the collar once i saw come, he turns and comes back to me immediately, and just mention heel he will also heel up to my left hand side, furthermore even if he is in the distance, if i say sit or the down command he will do this also. Im just trying to give you a background with cyber, as he has come on amazingly with only having to use the ecollar when i had got it at the start. My biggest problem is when he sees other dogs, Cyber is not aggressive by any means, but he will not listen to me by using the no command or come command, he will just run over to the other dogs and sniff them, only yesterday while i was taking photographs and took my eyes off him for a sec when i turned i could see him standing with his tail up looking down a walkway from where i couldnt see what was coming, so i guessed it was a dog, so i called him, he intitally turned his head about to run towards me bu immediatley stared back in the direction the 3 dogs were coming, with that i corrected him by no and saying come again, again same reaction from him, so i use the ecollar which he jumped a small bit from the shock and immediately said come but still no avail, at this stage the 3 dogs were about 10 feet from him and they approached him, i decided not to use the ecollar cos it would probablymake him more anxious as such, he just walked behind the dogs and began to smell them, with that one dog began yelping but cyber didnt touch him, in fact the other 2 dogs began to snap at him, even at this stage cyber didnt react just continued to look circle and sniff the dogs, i just kept saying no and running towards him, eventually i just grab him by the collar and walked away, saying no and leave to him. I have no fear of him attacking dogs cos as i said he has a fantastic nature about him. But my question is this, am i expecting too much from him? Is he too young at 2? Will he eventually not bother dogs when he gets older? It doesnt make walking him in the pucblic a nice experience as i am constantly looking over my shoulder wondering is there a dog around etc. Hope i didnt bore too many with this as im not the best at explaing myself and intend to ramble on a bit. Hope some1 or even Ed can help me out here. Thanks

Hi Roy,

my say is that you need to back up on the training and work more on distraction. Keep your dog on a long line, (can also use the e-collar at the same time)and have someone with a dog walk by. You need to enforce your commands with corrections if your dog refuses to obey. From what I see it's just a matter of obedience.

Regards,

Hi John,

Thanks for the reply. I'll give your recommendation a shot. Dont know anyone else with a dog though, will just wait while out for people to walk by with their dogs. Cant understand why i didnt think of the long line. Thanks again John

I would definitely recommend you use the long line while he's still learning to respect your commands. The last thing you want to do is give him an e-collar correction that agitates him in a slightly stressful situation where he is out of arms reach.

But as for not correcting him with the e-collar, I'm not sure I understand your reasoning... I've had 2 of my dogs "test" my resolve when wearing the e-collar. By that, I mean the dog willingly disobeyed a command, and ignored a low level stimulation from the e-collar. Each time, I was 100% certain the dog knew what was expected of him and was willfully disobedient so correcting him was the only option in my opinion. Each time I had to repeat a command, the dial on the remote gets turned up a notch. I had one instance when my dogs were still in the early stages of e-collar training where my young Boxer took off after a kid... she's a typical snuggly, excitable, friendly Boxer and wanted nothing more than to play with him... as much as I wanted to allow her to go play, I kept turning the dial up until she stopped dead in her tracks from a full out sprint. The "here" command is a potentially life saving command and never negotiable. You never know how a strange dog is going to react to your dog or if your dog will yield to traffic if he runs toward a road. And just FYI... after she finally calmed down and resumed her typically obedient behavior, I took her over to let her play with the kid... I like the fact that she's so good with kids, but that doesn't mean she gets to ignore my instructions.

Hi Ryan,

I didnt give him a second correction because i felt it may make him anxious, because at this stage the 3 dogs were around him.

Happened to me once again prior where he totally disobeyed me when he went off with other dogs, and even when i had to raise the stimulation right up he still ignored. Believe me he knew he was getting corrected because he left out a loud yelp and jump straight into the air, but continued to chase the other dogs.

I think the best thing is to use the long line method as suggested and take it from there.

Just on another note i also have the no bark collar from Ed, he forgets ni again that its on and barks which he gets corrected, but when it is off he continues to bark in the back yard even when i do correct him. Just seems to be stubborn, or him trying to be the alpa male, but i have to insist he is very good nature and craves attention, always wants to be with us, no matter were we go and loves the spin in the car. By the way even when he sees a dog when in the car he barks now again. As you realise i cant correct him because im driving, but i do verbally. If he sees another dog he will kindof growl, and i keep saying no?

Any ideas? Maybe im not been forceful enough on him.

Gonna buy the long line from ED over the weekend nad wait for it to arrive.

Should i keep him on a leash until i get the long line do you think until such time i am 100% he will come to me off line even with other dogs around?

Hi Mike

Thanks for valuable input. Im ordering a long line from Leerburg this weekend along with other items as well. I think you are right. No distractions he obeys me flawlessly. When out about, people or anything else that act as a distraction he also obeys me flawlessly, but the only other problem is when dog or dogs are around. Think im nearly there with him but not over that final hurdly yet.

There is something in the back of mind though. A couple of months ago, as we were walking home, two dogs (terrier & a westhighland) came running out of a house (with their owners present) and began to attack both me and Cyber. I tried to get the dogs away with no assistance from their owners, when eventually they did go away i pointed out that they should have been under control to the owners, when they failed to even apologise to me and all i got was the two finger saulted. Anyhow everytime we pass this house, he wants to get in and trys to jump over the wall, but lately he doesnt bother especially after a correction. Maybe it was this experience that maybe he has taken a dislike to other dogs, even though as i said all he wants to do is play with other dogs cos he's tail would be waging when next to other dogs. He doesnt show any badness whatsoever to other dogs. Ok i'll stop rambling, gonna get the long lead, i've seen Ed using it alot in his videos so should work. Thanks again.