I go to a small sch. club. There too many people there that are totally clueless. I do not even try and judge others but tend to make mental notes about things that I see. For instance, obese woman with greatdane, shows litlle intrest in her own health. But gives info. about latest excercise for dogs and nutritional supplements.(for the size of a particular dogs paws,how to increase?I don't know what she was referring to.)Not to mention anything else doberman or greatdane related. All the while sitting in chair with others constantly babbling off misinfo about various breeds. All the while talking to her dog as if it is her infant."I said down!Don't you look over there!I'm the one who is in control here!" Also today was the first time I have seen someones child at the meeting. I can't stand children being brought to adult venues.These are the same owners who don't participate and show up late and then leave before it's over.Also, the guy who brings his dog and only wants to do bite work. Dog will not bark so it isn't allowed to bite. He sits in chair directly in field of view of other dogs working protection, with his dog no less, letting her get worked up and praising.Also have witnessed more that my fair share of erratic behaviour from some dog owners. From becoming emotional on tracks to carelessness doing protection work.TD whom I like, ran my pup through track today, instructed me NOT TO POINT OUT FOOD IN FOOTSTEPS, DON'T HELP DOG,LET DOG RUSH DOWN TRACK STAND UP BESIDE DOG.We track 2-3 times a week so far on own, I use Schutzhund Theory and Training Methods for guide, pup needs to be shown and bending over along side pointing out each morsel in each footstep is what the book says to do.My pup is young and we haven't ran enough tracks for him to keep his nose down all the way every time, but so far he has to find every piece of food, I don't let him rush and we finish and play. I feel rushed when I go, to training and don't feel we are getting enough training tips. Needless to say I was angry about this but said nothing.Also continually see people working past their dogs limits and then getting emotional with themselves and their dog.Where is The Dog Whisperer? This club could defenitly use him.

I myself am an idiot which I failed to mention. Anyone whom I may have offended I apologize.

Sounds like a club to me. We have the same kind of problems. I think all clubs do. My favorite which you don't have, is after all the other dogs are worked (by me) and I am good and tired and brain dead, it is time for me to work my dog. Sooooo, they are taking down, or have taken down jumps and blinds which I WAS going to use, and I am left with no brain, and a dog that is really pumped up from being in the crate while all the other dogs are worked. Joy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Sometimes I go to club for a "laugh a minute" next time you get annoyed just look at the funny side, What do you think the dogs are thinking??? HUH thats what makes me roll, that
Great Dane is probably thinking blah blah fish paste...
Bet the owner has no clue..tee hee tee hee

"For instance, obese woman with greatdane, shows litlle intrest in her own health. But gives info. about latest excercise for dogs and nutritional supplements" This always kills me. Its kind of like an obese person in the grocery store with a cart full of junk food and a 12-pack of diet coke.

It is hard to find a good club, and if there is not a bit experienced trainer... you have 10 people with 10 ways how to teach tracking...I agree with the other person on that tracking, but I know that is not the poing, hang in there and dont let them get to you... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Different clubs have different skill levels of it's members and trainers.
Some clubs basically just supply a field, and you're on your own.
Other clubs have a regimented training method that everyone has to follow.
Some clubs have a bunch of hard-core intense trainers, others have no one with significant experience.

Only you can decide ultimately what you're looking for - if a club does not provide you what you're looking for, look for a new one. Be willing to travel a bit to get to a club that fits you and your expectations for training.

Jamey thanks for the PM, I got it but could not reply, you have set yourself up not to recieve PM, are you aware?
I have been in a club enviroment for over 10 years now,
sometimes it really can be what you make it, Dog people can be hard nuts to crack, some can be very suspicious and downright rude at times <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Better with dogs than people
comes to mind <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> some are just downright anti social,then you get the dogsperts, they everywhere,I say hang around long enough they cannot ignore you forever,perhaps free entertainment!! besides, I bet the suspense as to your pedigree is killing them <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />I am sure
in time you will find some like minded individuals <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

If you are on the west end of Kansas, It might be worth it to check out Tim and Lori Cruiser's club here in Colorado.

They are really into Schutzhund, and Tim and I argue each others sports relative worthlessness. I don't mess with the club, but I show up and help when I can and Tim helps me.

So if you aren't to far away, that would be who I would check out.