william g harris Webboard User Reg: 01-24-2006
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i'm in MS right on the river and when you cross the bridge into louisiana dog fighting, cockfighting and hog catching is real popular. american bulldogs and pits and their crosses are used in baying and catching. they call them hog dog rodeos. however wild boar hunting is also a popular sport in my area and some of the dogs are bred exclusively for that. in case someone is wondering i am totally against animal cruelty. i'm a pit owner and my feelings are "punish the deed, not the breed". i only know about this because it's in our media a lot.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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You know, if they did catch work in a *large* area where the animal has a significant chance of escape, I'd have less problem with it, but the one and only time that I saw it as a "sport" it was done in a ring so smll that the pigs didn't have a chance.
And watching the handler's suturing their dogs afterwards didn't sit too well with me either - allowing my dog to be injured like that for a sport.....nope, can't do it.
"The dog stops the pig by clamping its jaws against its snout, ears or testicles. The animals then are pried apart with a metal bar. If the pig survives, it's returned to the ring for another fight. If the pig collapes, its left to die."
Does anyone else think the article sensationalizes the treatment of the hogs/pigs just a little bit?
I've watched enough hog dog rodeo footage to make me sick, but never have I witnessed what is described in the article.
Hey Will, what about you? I remember reading your post in which you described your experiences at a rodeo. In that event did you witness hogs/pigs being left to die?
I have a video of a so called hog dog catch trial championships. It shows more than enough ripped up hogs. One with an ear hanging on by threads. One dog that had a concussion for colliding heads with a hog.
These are the kinds of things that caused me to change breeds when I was doing earth work. My Border terriers were more than willing to suffer terrible damage to get at the quarry. When I went to CORRECTLY BRED JRTs, I never had more than a few small nicks. NO WAY would I ever throw them in a set up environment that made it impossable for one or the other to avoid the serious crap I've seen.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Andy,
Nope, a lot of noise, a lot of really, really bad smells ( <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> ) but no serious damage to the hogs - actually, the dogs got injured worse than the hogs did ( I was glad to see the kevlar vests for the dogs being used ).
The fellows that broke the dogs and hogs apart used yellow plastic "pry bars" and did a skilled job of it.
All the hogs were returned to a pen to recover, and I don't think that any were used twice. And certainly none "collapesed or were left to die".
Typical Media drama crap...never, *ever* trust the media! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
william g harris Webboard User Reg: 01-24-2006
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i've seen it before and i just don't think it is fair to cut the tusks off the boar and then put a cut vest on the dogs. To me the boar has no defense but to run. At least when you hunt wild boar with dogs in the wild, the boar has a defense mechanism. I own game bred pits for their athletic ability only.
As a pit owner I truly know how the media can elevate situations.I just know my pits will not be at the competition.To each his own though.
I used to hog hunt a lot in Georgia and Florida and knew some of the people involved in the catch association. The trials that they have for "titling" the dogs are different that what went on here according to the media (I'm in miami btw, so I've been hearing a lot about it). The main issue here is the gambling. It sets it apart from the trials, training and hunting imo. Like others have pointed out the media has taken a lot of liberties with the truth on the specifics.
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