Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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I've hand an interesting observation that I'd like to see if other experienced muzzle user's have noticed.
I used ( and still do, but less now ) the Ray Allen Ram series muzzle due to the fact that my beasts are just so hard on equipment. They're strong, but a mite restrictive.
One of the strongest dogs seemed to get gassed faster doing muzzle work with that type of muzzle.
I went ahead and got the Frabo style muzzle from Leerburg ( http://leerburg.com/708.htm#frabo ) and it seems like the more open weave of the muzzle really let us work the dogs longer. And it seems to be holding up fine, it's built like a bank vault.
Will,
I bought that same style of muzzle with my new dog. I really like it and it is holding up very well. I had an older muzzle like it but it would not fit my new dog. The only problem with the old one is the the buckle that holds the top head strap on some how came off and now is M.I.A. I need to find someone to fix it for when my 5 mo old Mal gets bigger.
Sammy Blondin Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2002
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I have nothing much to add to this, as I have not noticed what you say happening, but then I certainly don't have extensive experience in muzzle work. A word of warning to everyone though.. make sure any muzzle is fit nice and SNUG! We have had an incident out here where a dogs tooth went through one of the holes in the muzzle and promptly ripped through my hubbys arm. Was pretty nasty, had to chop of a vien hanging out with a pair of paper scissors LOL. This has put me off the basket style muzzle, even though I think they are MUCH better for ventilation.
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Sammy,
In ASR we have the handler *lift* the dog part way off the ground by the muzzle as the test to show that the muzzle is firmly attached to the dog.
So far.....no mishaps with any dog in the muzzle during an ASR competition thanks to this test.
Sammy Blondin Webboard User Reg: 12-03-2002
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Will, that is what is odd.. we do the same thing also. The muzzle LOOKED and FELT like it fit great. In hindsight maybe the basket part was a little big/loose for the dogs muzzle? Despite the fact that it was very snug around the head and bridge of the nose.. I don't know.. maybe it was a freak 1:million accident? Regardless, we are pretty wary now, it was kinda nasty!
Doesn't stop us doing muzzle work mind you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
Michele McAtee Webboard User Reg: 02-05-2006
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Don't know why there is muzzle discussion in the spine alignment posting.
I did have a post regarding my GSD.
5.5 years old, male. Fell on hardwood floor over the holidays. His back vertebre above his sacrum seems to be "OUT OF WHACK" approximately 1.5 to 2 inches.
His behaviour is fine, vet did a check and states dog is fine.
Does anyone know anything about vertebre? Issues, whether or not the dog will compensate for the pain if a vertebre is out of line?
Main question: Is this issue a preliminary problem to something more to come? Or what about chiropractic care? Do I do anything with this now, or do I wait until he presents problems?
I've used the RAM muzzle for roughly ten years now with no side affects in south florida, I don't work shepherds though. I think it's the best muzzle available for helper and dog. I've seen the one you linked used extensively as well, I'm sure it'll be fine and if it breathes better can only help.
I've used the same RAM muzzle on both of my PSD's since 97' . I mootched a Frabo style muzzle for awhile and used it on my first K9 . I didn't notice any difference in the dog's performance .
Once my RAM muzzle wears out (doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon) I plan on replacing it with a Frabo style muzzle because they do appear to allow for better airflow and I can now find them at reasonable prices .
Will makes a very good point about lifting the dog by the muzzle . I had my first muzzle come off during a training session last month . I was the decoy . They simply felt around the straps and pulled a little to check the fit before sending the dog to find me . NOT GOOD !
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003
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Lifting the dog by the muzzle is always done here. Nothing opens your eyes bigger than that thing coming off in the handlers' hand during the muzzle check. I like the Frabo, just keep your digits out of em <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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