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....they persistently kept doing it all while he was moaning and groaning. If it annoys your dog that much you shouldn't put him in that situation. Think how you would like it if someone did something to you that you didn't like (like poking you in the side) constantly for 15 minutes, all the while your protector was standing there letting it happen???.....15 minutes seems like a long time to me. If your friend can't control his dogs, nothing is going to stop your pup from inevitabily doing something about it in his own way if you, the pack leader, don't step in......

I couldn't possibly put it better.

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sounds like it!

Many times what WE construe as the dominant one in a doggie relationship isn't correct.

I have a dog that is submissive to puppies, cats, horses, etc...it's bizarre. It kind of bugs me but I like having a dog that gets along with any creature we encounter. She sends such clear signals of submission and friendliness to other animals that no one wants to beat her up.

It's a far cry from the rest of my beasts! Most of them are more evenly matched in temperament and rank, so there is lots of posturing and squaring off. They know better than to take it to the next level when I am present and they aren't together when I am not with them.

What does your male pup do while the female is licking his mouth? what's his body language tell you? I never get tired of watching my dogs (and horses) go thru these little conversations.

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He just sits there and lets her do it! When she gets done they gone on to other doggie business!

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From your original post you made it sound like the other dogs were doing it constantly during the time you and your dog were visiting. You posted they did it "non-stop" and said that your pup would try to get away from them but they persistently kept doing it all while he was moaning and groaning. If it annoys your dog that much you shouldn't put him in that situation. Think how you would like it if someone did something to you that you didn't like (like poking you in the side) constantly for 15 minutes, all the while your protector was standing there letting it happen???
15 minutes seems like a long time to me. If your friend can't control his dogs, nothing is going to stop your pup from inevitabily doing something about it in his own way if you, the pack leader, don't step in. No matter how much socialization these dogs have together, a fight will still more than likely break out if they persist on doing something he doesn't like and you allow them to do it.

Please get off my back. I'm not a child, I don't need input like, "Think how you would like it if...". I already replied that Cindy's post was exactly the answer I was looking for. Seeing as how she already stated that the behavior was normal and that I could let them work it out, I would assume it would be okay to let it go on for the 15 mintues or so. I guess I need to add that 15 minutes is probably a bit exaggerative and its honestly more like 5 minutes. But why not be sure? Why did you see the need to further try and make me look like a bad dad to my dog?

I'll tell you something. I spend more time with my dog than anyone else does with him. I feed, bathe, walk and do everything else with him. I don't take him over to my buddies house to get tortured. I apologize if my choice of words in the first post I made on this topic confused you. The words, "Non stop" were to be taken subjectively. I was trying to find a phrase that would emphasize how vigorous the dogs were with the licking. I would have said, "They do it the whole time we are over there and they never stop until we leave" if I meant what you thought. Again, I apologize.

I honestly feel as if the whole purpose to your post was to make me look like a horrible person.

I'll also add that I'm not posting to start a fight. I quite enjoy this forum and the privelage of being able to use it.

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.....Why did you see the need to further try and make me look like a bad dad to my dog?.....I apologize if my choice of words in the first post I made on this topic confused you. The words, "Non stop" were to be taken subjectively. I was trying to find a phrase that would emphasize how vigorous the dogs were with the licking......I honestly feel as if the whole purpose to your post was to make me look like a horrible person......

Antone, I read it wrong too. It did appear to me that it was an experience your dog hated a lot.

Many dog owners don't understand that they are their dog's pack leader and protector in all things. Obviously, you don't fall into that category of owners who don't grasp that.

We mostly don't know each other on forums like this, and all we can do is reply to what we think we are reading, to a person we have never met, and I think many of us automatically take the position of defending the dog.

I can't speak for Wendy, but I can speak for myself, and myself misread the situation and leaped to the defense of the dog. I had NO intention of making you look bad when I agreed with Wendy. None, zero, zilch.

P.S. That regurgitation thing is how wolves would carry part of a kill back to the pups in the den until the pups were old enough to accompany the adults on the hunt. It seems to be hardwired in some dogs, like turning around and around to make a bed as if they were out in the wild, flattening plants, when they are actually on a perfectly lovely blanket or carpet. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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I honestly feel as if the whole purpose to your post was to make me look like a horrible person.

I'll also add that I'm not posting to start a fight. I quite enjoy this forum and the privelage of being able to use it.

I would never post something to make it seem like someone was a horrible person!!! I never said anything about you being a child either.

But in my own defense i will say that from the original post you said it was happening non-stop and your pup couldn't stand it and tried to run from them moaning and growling. If i misinterpreted that, i apologize.

I was not posting to get on your back, i was posting my opinion because it sounded like your pup detested it, and i too was coming to the defense of the pup.

If you were offended by my post, I apologize.

I am not here to cause any type of problems, but i do feel i can post my opinion without it coming back to bite me. And other posts were saying you shouldn't put your dog through that, and i happened to agree with that. Even the post from Cindy said you should either not take him over there or let them sort it out, i just went into more description.

I never said it meant you were a bad owner.

I am not here to get in some postwar with you, but i do feel i had to post something in my own defense. But i do apologize if i what i wrote came off the wrong way.