Sam Scott wrote 03/06/2006 09:22 PM pup taking over #100170 - 03/06/2006 09:22 PM
Sam Scott Webboard User Reg: 11-03-2005 Posts: 89 Loc: Offline	My 8 month old female GS pup has been acting nasty towards my 4 year old GS guy. Takes his toys and when we give him attention she leaps at his face/neck and nips at him. I've been corrrecting her for this bratty behaviour, but at the same time I'm wondering if I should be letting them "work out" their pecking order. Some articles I've read say human is alpha, dogs don't fight for pecking order period, and others say dogs will work out their ranking order and then you treat them accordingly. What do you guys think??
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Dennis Jones wrote 03/06/2006 09:30 PM Re: pup taking over [Re: Sam Scott ] #100171 - 03/06/2006 09:30 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	I have the very same situation in my house but I think they came to terms. Just a guess but I think males are very tolerant of intact female puppies. My male is nuetered but still acts "interested" just can't remember why he should be. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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Dennis Jones wrote 03/06/2006 09:34 PM Re: pup taking over [Re: Dennis Jones ] #100172 - 03/06/2006 09:34 PM
Dennis Jones Webboard User Reg: 06-13-2004 Posts: 3389 Loc: Richmond Va Offline	Forgot to add, I feed them seperated from each other and don't make them compete against each other except in really controlled situation ie tug work and tied out.
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susan tuck wrote 03/06/2006 09:37 PM Re: pup taking over [Re: Dennis Jones ] #100173 - 03/06/2006 09:37 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	This has been my experience as well. My intact adult males generally tolerated the girls b____y behaviour...to a point!Then there would be a lot of noise & "teeth flashing" & then all would settle again. Now two intact females together, has been in my experience, a much more difficult & serious situation.
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Tina Berry wrote 03/07/2006 11:32 AM Re: pup taking over [Re: susan tuck ] #100174 - 03/07/2006 11:32 AM
Tina Berry Webboard User Reg: 01-20-2006 Posts: 61 Loc: WA Offline	I agree that some males are just really tolerant of females - We introduced a 2 yr old female to our 1 yr old male - they are both pretty dominant and he out weighs her by 20 lbs. But he lets her push him to his limit and then finally lets her have it, but it takes him awhile to get there.
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susan tuck wrote 03/07/2006 12:13 PM Re: pup taking over [Re: Dennis Jones ] #100175 - 03/07/2006 12:13 PM
susan tuck Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2006 Posts: 1608 Loc: Cali & Wash State Offline	I think the point Dennis made in this post is important, too. They should be fed seperately, & I wouldn't let them compete over your attention, too much either, except in "really controled situation".
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william g harris wrote 03/07/2006 03:19 PM Re: pup taking over [Re: susan tuck ] #100176 - 03/07/2006 03:19 PM
william g harris Webboard User Reg: 01-24-2006 Posts: 123 Loc: Southeast USA, MS Offline	my male dog used to start fights with my female dog over food. when i started feeding them away from each other i had no more fights. i also removed all toys and stuff they could fight over in the yard. when i give treats i give them directly to the dogs. so far so good no more fights. this is what has worked for me. W.G.H.4 PUNISH THE DEED, NOT THE BREED
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Polly Gregor wrote 03/07/2006 04:01 PM Re: pup taking over [Re: william g harris ] #100177 - 03/07/2006 04:01 PM
Polly Gregor Webboard User Reg: 12-02-2005 Posts: 341 Loc: NYC Offline	Sam, I have taken William's path, with the same good results. I have a 21 mo male and a 10 yo dominant female, both neutered, and she used to bully him at meal times and over possesions and even free movement in the house. Since I started feeding him in his crate (her first in the kitchen) and giving all bones/toys in crates he is much happier. Now that he is 10-15 pounds and several inches taller then her, she is more polite to him, but she still rules.
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Sam Scott wrote 03/07/2006 04:40 PM Re: pup taking over [Re: Polly Gregor ] #100178 - 03/07/2006 04:40 PM
Sam Scott Webboard User Reg: 11-03-2005 Posts: 89 Loc: Offline	Yes, I feed them both seperately in their crates for all meals (even snacks/treats) and they are both neutered. The problem seems to be when I give him any attention (say his name, praise, or even a fond look) she bits at his neck! Also if I am playing with him (I try to walk/play with them seperatley most of the time) she throws a fit and before its her turn she lauches herself at him. So far the only thing he will not let her touch is one particular ball. So I'm not sure if I should be scolding her for this behaviour, or if I should let them work it out as it looks as if she will soon be the alpha dog of the two. ???
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Polly Gregor wrote 03/07/2006 06:23 PM Re: pup taking over [Re: Sam Scott ] #100179 - 03/07/2006 06:23 PM
Polly Gregor Webboard User Reg: 12-02-2005 Posts: 341 Loc: NYC Offline	Sounds like my kids when they were young! The youngest had a fit when I held the elder ones. Personally, I think I would decide who gets attention first, but if she can't behave, crate her while you play with him. That gives you control without scolding and might be a less confrontational way to avoid a fight, and less stress for both of them. If he is territorial with a ball, I would play with it only in her absence. My guy has a special ball, and it goes on a high shelf when we are not outside with it. I almost always walk my dogs seperately, for a variety of reasons.
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