Hi all,

I'm a little confused. I have a strong background in protection training, but I'm relatively new to SchH. I kinda thought that teaching the "revier" as an obedience command was supposed to mean to the dog "go to the blind I am indicating and see what you find"...

HOWEVER, my club trains "revier" meaning "out and bark" and literally will work puppies on "revier" with a tug in front of them to teach them to out and bark bark bark bark until allowed to bite. I'm not sure I WANT my "revier" to mean that, because that makes it then impossible to work the blind search as an obedience exercise which is how I believe the blind search should be taught.

So my questions are:

1. What should "revier" mean to the dog?
2. If "revier" is used to mean "go search that blind" then it cannot mean "out and bark bark bark" so then how can you develop the hold and bark in a puppy?
3. Is there a way "revier" is EVOLVED from "out and bark" to mean run the blinds that I'm simply missing?

Any other comments or thoughts on this are welcome and appreciated...

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I am by no means an expert but here is my take on it. I use "revier" to mean "find the bad guy and hold him with a bark." So if you look at a blind search - for blinds 1-5 when I send my dog to search the blinds I give the revier command and when they don't find anyone in the first blind, they come around and the "here" command is given bringing them back to you. These two steps are repeated until the dog comes around blind 5, you give the revier command yet again but this time they "find" the bad guy in 6 and can hold them with a bark.

I use revier in the blinds or in the open for the hold and bark (during training when I send the dog straight into the helper for a hold and bark). I look at it like this - whether the helper is hiding in a blind, a shed, or is standing in the middle of an open field, the dog still has to "find" him. Sometimes the find is just easier <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Outting is a seperate command entirely (at least for me). I could see giving the "out" command on a young dog and than saying "revier" to encourage him/her to go into a hold and bark. Other than that, I don't see why you would teach a dog to out on a revier command since a dog should be biting the sleeve on a revier command <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I taught my dog that reviere meant to hold & bark at the decoy.....after she had that 'piece' I taught her that revere also meant to search the blinds. I did this by teaching her to go around the blind, stop & look inside & then return to me. I started that process by holding her on the other side of the blind & telling her reviere & then letting her go to the decoy & H & B at him. He was about 6 ft from the other side of the blind. I would eventually move her out further from the blind so that she had to go around it to get to the decoy. (I used hot dog pieces inside the blind to get her to go into the blind & look & then return to me on command) Then the last piece in putting it all together was to teach her that reviere really meant to search the blind return to me on command & then be sent to search the next blind & return & so on until she finds the decoy & to do a hold & bark on the decoy. I hope that I explained this well enough to understand. I am sure that there are many ways to teach this, this if just how & did it & it worked for my dog. I am in the process of teaching it the same way to my new dog. I only started with 1 blind & then you add a blind when the one you are working is solid. Also, by having my dog return to me in a formal front before being sent out again Ican have more control over which blind she is sent to & she is not running wildly around the field & skipping blinds. I hope this helps. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Most of it has been said here. I wanted to add a little thing to it.
to look at my scenario: I have 6 mos old pup, when I give command Revir it means sit and bark. He is old enough to work with a blind I have not done that yet. But as son as I get started I ask the helper to kind of get pupies attention from behind the blind.. And I say revier. The puppy schould sit in front anb bark.
Later I wil add one more blind Empty. And still say revier he wont find anybody behing it will go on to another one where he will automaticly sit and bark.
Basicaly it means. Search, and hold and bark together.
Does it make sence?
It is not so easy like written but hope you get the point??
I also change, later down the road, position of the helper.. not always behind the last blind. It kinda makes the dog pay attention to every blind and run around each and every one.