Looking for some info on the pedigree of this dog, good choice for a working GSD? Quite new to GSDs so hard to know wich lines are the best for work, czech, german or Swedish lines?
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/429083.html

hello; i read your post. i looked at the pedigree in question; the dog is predominantly swedish in breeding. many of these dogs (the one with registration numbers that start with just S) don't show any titles. those that do are as follows: KORAD is a kind of obedience/temperament test, kind of like a korschein in germany. Elit SKH is an obedience title. in swedish obedience there are four levels: 1,2,3, and elit. to gain the title the dog must place first three times at that level. to become an obedience champion, the dog must place first at the elit level three times, and receive a 2 in conformation(which means that he conforms to the breed standard). SBCH is a swedish champion in a working class, such as tracking. it does not cover all three phases like schutzhund titles in germany (tracking, obedience, and protection). SUCH and NUCH are show champions, S for swedish, N for Norwegian. this is a conformation title.
on the dams side there are some german dogs (dogs whose registration numbers start with SZ) there are a couple of german dogs on the fathers side, and they appear to be from show lines. on the dam's side the german dogs start with V-Fero vom Zeutener-Himmelreich. the V stands for vorzuglich, which means excellent, and it is a conformation rating. Fero was SchH3 (highest of schutzhund titles)as well as FH, which stands for Fahrtenhund, or advanced tracking dog. the VBSP in parentheses means that he had an excellent score at the Bundessiegerprufung, which is the german schH3 championship. (he placed 17th out of about 150 dogs). his father flori went to the BSP 4 or 5 times, as did his father, boris trogenbach. the bitch bred to fero, quinni salztalblick, is out of Asko Joufne Keyleff. He was a very nice-looking dog who was very hard. some people thought he was a little schizy, and i have seen some of his pups who were a little too sharp, but some of that might have been because of poor handling. i had a dog out of asko years ago, and he was very hard. he worked well, was very serious, and many people were afraid of him. asko's father, Uwe Kirschental, was a great working dog. Kirschental breeds for herding, but many of his dogs do well in schutzhund as well. Quinni's mother is out of Sagus Busecker Schloss, probably one of the greatest working dogs of all time. these are strong german working lines. however, the fero son, arry, was bred to another swedish dog showing no titles, but from a line that had mostly KORAD certification.
what does this all mean? this line is not super strong in working ability, but it is probably producing pretty good looking dogs who can work. the important question then is, how much working dog can you handle? are you experienced, have you titled any dogs? if not, you are beginning, and depending on the mother, this line might give you an adequate dog. if you are experienced, want to compete seriously, then there are lines available much stronger than this.

Elit SKH is the highest level of the Swedish protectionprogramm which contains three levels and covers tracking, article search,area search for two hidden people, obedience, and bitework quite different from SCH/IPO with muzzlework included.
SBCH is a title for Swedish workingchampion and could be awarded for the different workingdisciplines here, messengerdog, trackingdog, searchdog or protectiondog.
The swedish korung is also different from the german korung.

Regarding the pedigree, many of those dogs you see in the first three generations have participated in the Swedish championship for protectiondogs, info on Swedishs dogs are best given from the Swedish kennel clubs own database, where you can see accurate pedigrees and working/healttests, not pedigre database that lacks much info.
The ferro son Arry has been used a lot in Sweden, has a good reputaion for producing confident servicedogs with a serious side. The other dogs in the pedigree are from famous Swedish workingdog kennels like Polarmarken and Dittegårdens.

Unlike German dogs Swedish working GSDs are breed more for different work in generall and not only competition in SCH, policedogs or other servicedogs are used more here in the breedings. Titles are not so important for breeding good workingdogs anyway, the important thing is what the breeders goal/knowledge are, and what a dog produce regadless of his titles.

Regarding different lines, both Czech/german or Swedish lines produce good workingdogs, and sometimes not so good.
I guess here is what the breeders experience/goal and knowledge of the dogs in a pedigree comes to play.
I don´t think you find "stronger" lines for working elsewhere either than the dog in question.
But that depends on what you should have the dog for, is it SCH or some specific sport or servicework? If you looking for good dogs for service then the Swedsih lines are just as good as any other. In fact, recently I had a discussion of different lines with a person who have tested dogs for the police since the 70s, in his opinion the dogs from germany/holland and so on in generall was more sensitive when it comes to working in different environments like a PSD is requird. Probably this is due to the fact that lines breed foremost for the sport of SCH aren´t selected for function outside the trialfield and their kennel, while Swedish lines are more multipurpose and then environmenatl stability is an important factor.

The dog you asked about hasn´t have much breedings yet, but comes from hassemans kennel, a kennel selling/breeding dogs foremost for servicework and has produced a lot of servicedogs over the years. Their dogs can be quite a handfull because of their strong character and drives, and I think servicedog handlers are their first priority. I know they are planning a breeding with this dog, and another kennel also has had two breedings I think with this dog.
You can see Judas at the Swedish korung at this video,
http://www.skyddshund.se/Korning_judas.wmv

For more info look at the owners site,
http://www.skyddshund.se

Stig,
I watched the video you provided a link to.
I also looked up the results of the mentaltest on the owners web site.
Is it possible for you to translate that table???
I am curious as to how the test was scored/graded.
This is an interesting test and I would like to understand a bit more about it.
I also wonder how many assistants are bitten in the test???

please forgive my incorrect information. that's what happens when a german tries to translate swedish! my humblest apologies, and thank you for correcting. i will be more careful.

I´m not so experienced really, had a rottie before and my last dog was a GSD that I trained in obedience and tracking, but not for competition. I´m a bit intressted in bitework thou, so it would be a plus if my next GSD was suited for that. Living in Norway now, but are originnaly from Sweden, and it seems there are a lot of more workingdog breeders i Sweden compared to Norway, and buying a dog in Sweden would be no problem because it´s next door to Norway anyway.

Different lines are an intressting topic, I think I would go for a dog from mostly Swedish origin, easier to check upp health/workingtests on those lines.
I´ve heard a bit about Hassemans kennel, many policedogs in Norway comes from there, but I read at the kennelowners website that he only breeds for dogs with very strong character, high in both prey and aggression. I guess I have to admit that his dogs may be a bit to much for me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I´ve found two other studs I find intressting, I see they had a couple of breedings.
I´ve know this dog is a policedog and comes from generations of servicedogbreeding, his name is HS 9539 Idex,for picture
http://www.vargsjonikita.com/stamtavla1.htm
Complete pedigree,
http://kennet.skk.se/hunddata/Hund_data_...a&Attribut=

I´ve also think this, Truxelis ebbe, is a very nice dog, in looks anyway <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Pedigree,
http://home.no.net/stamtavl/t-ebbe.html
For pictures, click at "Till Avel" on this link,
http://www.truxelis.com/entre.htm

Jennie.....is there a quarantine for dogs entering Norway? Ive been told its 6 months....but perhaps that has changed. Let me know if you find out. I live in Poland and travel to sweden a lot, and sometimes Norway...and was told I couldnt bring my dog into norway.

Kevin,

Sometimes it happens that people are bitten, but real bites with a serious intention are quite rare, the risk of getting bitten is judged by the testleader who can abort the test if
there is an obvious risk that a dog will bite when put of leash.
For some info about the test and scoring, you can look here on a description of the finnish character test who is similar to the Swedish one,
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bigmama/10/mbasic.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/bigmama/10/mresult.htm

Jennie,
Quite intressting dogs there too, HS 9539 Idex is a stable and very confident policedog, seems to produce dogs suited for service also, intressting lines, not much left of that
today.
Truxelis Ebbe seems also to be a good producer with all the drives you need for sport or service. He is out of Salta killens Dork who was noted for producing quite sharp dogs, more so than his brother Dax, some likes this others not,Dork chewed upp his owner what I heard, the last thing he did before put to sleep. On the mothers side Truxelis Ebbe are part from servicedogs lines from kennel HS and some famous civilian workingdogs. Pups from these two dogs are probably also quite a handfull, but will probably be good working animals with the right owner.