 Is it possible?
#108336 - 06/14/2006 07:57 PM |
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Is it possible, to raise and train a pup into adulthood without using a leash and collar? If you started early, working on focus, and then progressed from there....could it be done?
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Re: Is it possible?
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#108337 - 06/14/2006 09:21 PM |
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It would depend on the dog, the handler, and the environment. I am sure that in a lab somewhere someone could pull it off- but I doubt it would translate to real life- real life comes with distractions.
It would also depend on your definition of "trained."
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#108338 - 06/14/2006 09:55 PM |
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Yeah, it's possible, but I wouldn't recommend it. My dog was raised without these things for the first 7mos or so. My ex didn't think he needed a leash, so I got to start the fun of training him to walk on one when he was about 85lbs. Fun fun! On the up-side, he's very dependable off leash <img src="http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />!
Seriously, he's great off-leash, and now on-leash, but I think that some of his dominance went too far b/c he resented being on leash all of a sudden after being used to doing what he was told w/out us being able to "make" him w/a leash and collar. Distractions, IME, weren't the main problem. He's an aloof dog, though. The problem was mainly when he went through adolescent dominance and his natural inclination was to fight any OB work on a leash. Asking him nicely while he was "free" was much more effective. I don't think this stubbornness would've come up if he'd been OB trained on a leash. JMO. But, hey, there are worse things in life...
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Re: Is it possible?
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#108339 - 06/15/2006 01:11 AM |
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This is how I've trained my dog in SAR, Schutzhund and AKC obedience. His leash has been used in early control, no corrections, to bring him on and off the training field, going to the vets, keeping the leash law patrol happy.
My first totally motivational dog in almost 45-50 yrs of playing with dogs.
Yes! I do understand the "early control" is a form of compulsion. It was more of a safty factor then anything else.
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#108340 - 06/15/2006 11:28 AM |
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Ok, I can see both sides. My thought was for Schutzhund. Getting a pup at 8 weeks, and working on the focus to start. Yes, using a leash for the things mentioned above, but for the BH and SchH I, training totally without a leash.
I was trained old school compulsion. With all of the "positive" methods out there, I was wondering if it would be possible, using food/toy/praise for the good things, and voice/body language for the bad. If the dog has bonded with you since it was 8 weeks, and looks to you for everything, could this type of training work? I think it's possible, but how probable?
Of course, graduating to distractions after the focus and obedience is proficient.
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Re: Is it possible?
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#108341 - 06/15/2006 12:12 PM |
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As it was said before, it depends on the pup. There's NO WAY that woulda worked with my GSD... but it seems possible with my dutchie pup -- she's barely ever leashed, but I also don't do any training with her yet, everything is "there", I don't have any need for a pup perfectly trained by 6 months old... she caught onto "sit" in 2 repetitions, since it's so easy to train her, I'd rather just wait till she's older.
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#108342 - 06/15/2006 01:40 PM |
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a dog i adopted at age 2 1/2 yrs. had never been leashed, and was a very tractable, manageable, obedient dog. the only downside was he really hated the leash and would look at me reproachfully when i put it on, like, "don't you trust me without this thing?" he was much better behaved without it.
he was a very soft, accommodating dog. not many dogs out there as sweet-natured as he was. would never work with my current dog, who was hell on wheels from the day he arrived.
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#108343 - 06/15/2006 05:11 PM |
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Thanx for the input! Much appreciated....*off to think*
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