I wasn't too sure where to put this question, but I am going to see some pups this weekend. they are from a bicolor sire and a b+t dam. one of the b+tan's parents was black, one was b+t. both of the sire's parents were sable (one black sable). the breeder doesn't speak much english but i just wanted to know will the pups be bicolor or black and tan?
They could be bi, blk&tan, or even black. The sire carries one bicolor allele and one unknown allele that could be any of the three options above. Since the female carries a black recessive, you could get any of those three colors in the litter.
Okay, i got an e-mail back from the breeder. the first time i asked he said black and tan but he doesn't speak great english i figured he meant bicolor but then i thought about it and realized they might not be. the sire looks like the true bicolor dog, on the second link. i e-mailed the breeder again for clarification and he told me the pups would be "half and half kimon/cassy" (the parents) so i guess she'll look like the "bicolor" on the first link. is this still considered bicolor or would she be a black and tan?
What specifically delineates a bi-color from an extended saddle?
My older (7 mos) mostly black pup has a dark brown butterfly on her chest, black tarheels, black running down front of forlegs, dark brown patches on cheeks and behind ears, silver under armipits (with a thin silver stripe running along her belly) and inside back legs (and looks like back leg feathering and silver under tail will come in) but does not have black penciling on the toes.
Molly Graf was nice enough to explain the difference to me a couple years ago. Ideally there will be no (meaning,very faint) markings on the chest and no facial markings (other than a few strands on the eyebrows) The 'tan' coloring you see on Arrow/adra, is actually sabling of the hairs, not whole tan hairs. A breed warden would be a good person to ask the exact textbook differences. Molly happens to be one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I happen to like the extended marking black and tans and bicolors more than your typical run of the mill B&T.
I am guessing from what you describe that your pup isn't a 'true' bicolor. It is hard to say without seeing the dog though. And as I said, they do lighten as they age. My B&t male was darker at 6 months than he was at 2 years. Funny how they are the reverse of sables... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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