ive never done any type of protection work before but am starting with my 5 month old pup, and i saw this link that was posted http://www.goldcoastk9.com
on the arm sleeve page they have a whole bunch of sleeves for real cheap i was wanting to get the level 2 jute sleeve for young dogs and my question is do you need something to go inside of those sleeves or do you use them like they are? i sont know anything about sleeves and so far from what ive seen they have nice puppy-intermidiate sleeves for great prices, so i hope someone can shed some light on sleeves. thanks
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Using a sleeve for a five month old is more than I do - I'm still using large bite tugs at that age. You can animate the tug more, plus since a puppy at that age is being worked strictly in prey drive, you lessen the chance of the dog feeling threatened by the man behind the equipment. Just my opinion there....
By the way, my firewall wouldn't load that page due to the warning about that site attempting to download info onto my computer. Might have just been cookies, but I've learned not to trust when that happens, so I didn't take the chance <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Will Rambeau Moderator Reg: 01-25-2003
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Chris,
Ya'll are lucky to have Paul Horton as a member of that club!
I disagree with having the helper act in a suspicious manner towards a puppy - this will evoke defense ( which seems to be your goal there ), and a puppy should not be worked in defense until it's old enough to handle that kind of pressure, say around ages 14 to 18 months old. And a dog should not be worked in defense until it has mastered prey work fully. Working a puppy in defense is going to have multiple undesirable results as the dog ages, to include bad grips and a whole host of problems.
Some trainers rush puppies into defense because it makes the puppy look "tough", but the puppy doesn't have the emotional maturity to handle that kind of stress. Please, save yourself a lot of hassles down the line and *don't* do that type of training with a puppy!
Chris Duhon Webboard User Reg: 08-14-2004
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Will,
I see your point, what the goal is, is we want to pup to understand that if he drops the sleeve it will be stolen, that makes him not want to loose it, secondly we use this as a method to get the dog to bark, (older pups around a year old). There is no agitation of a dog this young at all. The pup is never in a position where he must fight the helper to get his sleeve back. There is nothing physical and no direct agitation of the pup. To be clearer, the sleeve, isn't directly in front of the pup, as to make the pup feel like the helper is coming to fight him for the sleeve, it is kicked a ways away from the pup, and the helper is cautiously approching the sleeve, NOT the puppy.
Yes, we are EXTREMELY lucky to have them a part of us and supporting us. Their equipment is top class, and they are always looking for ways of improving it.
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I know this is 6 to 12 months but I want to jump in on the "sleeve" topic. I myself in my program which is many a police/military/family protection program versus sport. I have a jute puppy sleeve and then move to hidden sleeve work and use a jute sleeve with suede inside. I have titled dogs in SCH and used alot of other peoples equipment. What do you guys prefer? A hard sleeve with a bite bar or a tube type sleeve with a built in bite surface but the tube compresses or a sleeve similar to a hidden sleeve but with more protection and padding?
I have trained with guys who use them all and everyone has an opinion. I am going to buy an exposed sleeve so I can work toward titling a clients dog plus one of mine. I want a sleeve I can use from intermediate to advanced dogs. I have also worn all types and man I love those big bitebar type hard sleeves as a decoy but I can't really tell how hard the dog is biting. Of course in my hidden sleeve I can tell and sometimes have teh bruises to prove it. Opinions welcome. Derek
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