hello evryone...
we (in our firm) have adibate here about the effect, using, and the order in training programs of the search training in open fields (no leash free\ + direcetions) buildings of leash+ direction and viecals our dogs trained fo all of the above + search on peapole but that is another discussion. we love our dogs start with their nose up (smelling air) covering as big field as they can than (if they didnt recognized target odor) start from near the handler and than smell solids folowing acertain schematic diagram . in yards building and vehicles we love schematic diagram asswell.
we all agreed that open fields open an good air search with the right hiding of target. and duilding work encourage schematic diagram and solid material scenting same goes for viecals. what is your guys opinion of this topic?
what whould your preferences of the order and ammount of the differnt searches when in training program?
ilove to start (acording to the dog search charcter ovcourse) with alot of open space work and high big ammount hiding to get good air search than adding abit building and viecals for solids schematics and solid scents and than acording to the dog indevdual character of search, my partners has other approches on yours programs, what is yours approach and openion on the subject?
what hiding whould you use in the beggining?
sefi.s
israel

oops iwanted to call that subject air scent vs solid scent at training
sory is there away to edit it?

Did you hit the "edit" button at the bottom of your post? I think you have 15 minutes to correct it. Good luck!

Training open area search is not all that difficult. Making it off leash doesn't really add any difficulty to it. Bird dogs have been giving passive responses for years, working off leash. In my opinion, using a quartering type search, starting downwind and clearing sections at a time would be the most efficient and proficient. All that however would depend on operational conditions.

DFrost

eva- yea, ididnt catch it on time but thanks anyway

david thanks you for your rsponse im too starting downwind. but unfortanlly you misunderstand me (probably couse of my foult)- open area search is not the issue here:
imeant how whould you build training program for multyply area (area- buildings, open area, etc...) dog regarding the effects aplly of the dog nose work and schematics by building, viecals and open search off and on leash.
and how whould you combine all thos work in the firsts steps of training to create the ideal nose work and shematic work. e.g:
first starting open area for lift up the nose than building to schematics and thorough work etc....
and genarlly what is your favorite kind of nose work regarding the operational mission.
thanks and sory for the missunderstanding
sefi.s

If I understand you correctly. I would teach each, seperately at first. Buildings, training wise, we start with the perimeter, then collapse the search toward the middle. Downstairs, then upstairs. We teach what we call; high, low and deep. Meaning the pattern is established to encompass high, low or deep targets on one pass. Keep in mind I'm talking strictly training, actual searches can be conducted differently depending on the situation. With vehicles, we teach the same procedure, high, low and deep. Deep in this instance is ensureing the dog sniffs under the vehicle and into wheel wells etc. No different that looking for drugs. I teach to sniff all the "productive" areas in one pass. For open area, I start with a point to point. Short at first and increase the distance as the dog gains profiency. Of course none of this starts until the dog has demonstrated that he will respond to the odor. I'm still not sure if I understand your question, but this is how I start them off searching the different areas.

DFrost

david we teach about the same with one difrrent that we teach the dog start with the entrence (sniffing air) which he where enter the room (that could be any path to the room such ass window or door etc...)than to the middle and sniff the air first and than collaps to the encompass (new word for me)than the midlle sniffing solids (not air, simelar to tracking nose work - nose tuch solid)
the first phase when the dog sniff the air in the entrence and in the midlle of the room is for catch aromatic scents that flow in the air (for big charges for instanse) we found the catch is mast faster that way.
in vehicels we do the same as you. its great talking search work like that. tha is agreat info.
but that wasnt my question aswell.
what iwhere saying is that we noticed that each kind of intensive work (buildings, open areas, vehicals) has diffrent effects on the dog basic nose work e.g : adog that work alot of open areas
will develop usually good air scent work and adog that done alot
of building work will get good and thorough patern and will tend much more to smell solids (you could it deep work ithink).
you probably know all that crap that im mambaling, do you agree what is your opinion on the subject? (that was the first question)
second question: acording to the above how whould you combin the order of the kind of area searches works to anew dog at atraining program? e.g: first open areas for good air scent than building for patern and deep work etc...
hope you got what imeant (iknow my english is terrible and that is with out the excent lol)
sefi.s

I agree about the entrance, we do the same. It is part of the search. I do start off with room search. Once a dog has learned the odor, I like to start area search. I think it helps the dog be a bit more independant. I think teaching a dog is a balance between a directed search, yet the dog has to be independant enough to leave the directed search and follow odor to source. Of course the handler has to be able to read the change of behavior and let the dog go. In addition, the handler has to be able to identify when the dog is just off on a wild goose chase and put the dog back to work.

DFrost

I meant to add, your english is fine, certainly better than I would be able to speak in whatever your native language is. If I don't seem to be getting your question, keep asking. I certainly don't mind trying again. I'm sure I'll get it sooner or later.

DFrost

david tahnks for your patience. my languge is hebrew by the way.


iagreed ovcourse with your last post about the independent creating by open area searchs allthou iuse building with multyply rooms to develop indepneded work aswell (iatracket the dog with big odors to rooms where he cant see the handler and tell the handler to shut up) iagree about the balance between the indipanted and directed search it was well said...

iwill take it one part at atime it will be easiest for me that way - its just so much iwant to talk about, in that subjects but not enoghe words to express

have you noticed that adog that does alot of building search atend to pot the nose down on solids material (deep work you called it ithink) than scent air vs adog that usally work on standarts open areas attend to do?
ovcourse you can allways do high hiding of big ammount of open odor in building and deep hiding in open areas but still you will noticed the effects. ?

sefi.s
israel