Richard, thanks! I'm trying to keep the whole prey animal model in mind...but I have to work with what I have at the moment. I'll certainly check out those books...you know the saying, "Cheap is good but free is better!"

Carbon ate his two chicken wings last night and I thought all was well, but today he urped up some bile and two chunx o' chix (he did re-eat it, though. Charming. ) This was a little over 12 hours after he ate the chicken.

He's still acting fine, but I'm hoping he adjusts better soon, because he's a growing pup and already a little on the thin side. The Corgi's still doing well.

I did order some probiotics for him, but until they arrive should I supplement with some yogurt, do you think?

I'm wondering what it is, exactly that he's having trouble with because he was on mixed meat patties (containing ground bone) along with Innova for his whole life so far. I think Yuko said that since he's used to eating bone (even ground bone) the enzymes should still be present in his system. I'm confused because this is a dog that can dumpster dive with no ill effects and yet a couple of chicken wings are causing him problems.

While bone is bone, I have to believe there IS some difference digesting ground bone vs whole bone pieces. It seems (and I may be wrong) that a dog might need more digestive enzymes flowing to break down the bigger pieces???

The good news is that when he did urp it up it was 12 hours later, it was bile, and there were only 2 chunks present. It seems worse when they bring the whole meal back up and you wonder if they got anything from it.

I think of wings as awfully bony by themselves.

If I were not doing whole birds, I'd probably use backs and necks as the RMB part.

Okay...maybe I'll try the breast with ribs I have tonight to try and balance out the bony part of the wings.

Amber, yogurt for enzymes is good, Carbs will probably love it.

In reading posts of people who have started all raw for the first time, including one of my own posts, there seems to be a common thread of a little scare at first. Either something the dog does, like Carbon, or something that was feared, like me with chicken wings. But dogs adjust and quickly it seems.

Lear has been on raw since weaned so there was no adjustment, but I would imagine most dogs would have an initial adjustment period. And Connie would probably know the details but I remember reading something about when first feeding raw, toxins start getting eliminated from the body. How this shows up sometimes is what I don't know about.

Well, I've heard so many success stories here, and I have hardly seen anyone with problems other than in the initial start out. I'm going to keep going.

I don't know if I'd have to courage to do it without everyone's feedback here, so I have the deepest gratitude for everyone who has helped me out. Thank you all!

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I remember reading something about when first feeding raw, toxins start getting eliminated from the body.

http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm#detox

IME, it sounds much worse in that FAQ than it usually is.

That is such a great site. I get caught up in reading it everytime I visit. That's where I read about the toxins. Thanks Connie.

Richard!!
Your pup is so flippin cute!!!!!!!!!!!!