Hi All
i need ..not advice just clarity...
i got myself 2 GSD puppies, they r not pure as the mother was pure breed german shepherd but the father apparently was a cross GSD and Labrador. but looking at pictures of the parents that i was only shown after getting the pups the father looks like he has a lot more history that just 1 cross.
my female looks like a long haired GSD, but the male looks like a GSD cross Rotweiller.
they are lovable and manageable most of the time.
But their playfulness gets very aggressive when they are let off there leash. on leash they are calm and eager to listen. but off leash they are 2 little terros. the 1 always enticing the other then the chases begin and the rolls and the biting and then it goes on for a little while until 1 of the yelps in pain and then they stop for a while again. i am a beginner so im not sur..i have been told that its normal and i should leave them, but i cant help but feel that its gona get out of hand 1 day.and that when they are adults they ar going to hurt each other badly...
is this normal behaviour? is it just the establishment of dominance? will it stop? i dont also want to stop them all the time because i dont want them to lose that drive.
they are 12 weeks old now.

My experience on the forum section of this website is that advice is ever-present...thank god.

Have you already read the puppy training section of the website? If you are only seeking clarity, maybe it will help if you read *all* Ed Frawley's articles on puppy rearing and especially the part about raising 2 dogs/puppies. (Did I just give you advice? Or clarity? :crazy

Yusrie,

Did you read the links Sandy provided when you last posted about this problem?

http://www.leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Board=85&Number=134626&Searchpage=1&Main=12652&Words=+Yusrie+Khondker&topic=0&Search=true#Post134626

Puppies play rough but if you feel it's getting out of hand then it is YOUR responsibility to step in and stop it. You must be a good pack leader.

There is a ton of information on this forum about building drive in a dog...Ed's DVD is great! Stopping rough play won't destroy your pups drive....you are the one who needs to do the work with each pup to build it.

Thanx...i reposted because i couldnt find the other post. and the last time i checked it there was no response to it...thank u i have read eds articles and i have all the e-books aswell...
all i wanted to really know, something i couldnt get clarity on was if the fighting was normal and if the aggression levels were normal for 12 week old pups. a friends of mine that has had dogs almost all her life says they are just playing but i feel its a bit rough. and i do step in a stop it. and i have read all about being a good pack leader, i have some of it down, like going through doors and gates first..the pups wait for me to go thru first before they go. and when it comes to feeding, i fill there bowls infront of them just on a higher level than what they can reach for now, but b4 i give it to them i used to ask them to sit, now they already go sit without me saying anything..and they sit on there respective sides and w8 till i say eat before they go for the bowls...
i used the growling technique for when it comes to them not listening and it worked although my throat hasnt been surviving it. lol...they also most of the time dont grab things out of my hands...expect when we have now gotten very excited and ran around and they are now in hyper drive then they tend to jump at my hands to grab whatever i have if im not fast enuf to put it in my pocket or somewhere they cant see it.
for the most of the situation they are briliant and havent been adifficult to handle and they listen to me and i feel like there pack leader. like i said the only problem i have is when i let them lose on the field area outside my house. they get to run like crazy and do what they want really bcoz i want them to have a bit of freedom in the day to be puppies. thats when it all starts. and they will b ok for a while but then the ramming and rolling and growling starts and i have been redirecting there energies into toys since this morning and i have noticed as long as they are busy with the toy they wont bite or get as aggreesive, i got a tug for the male and a rubber ball for the female since she doesnt have as strong a hold as he does and she doesnt seem interested in holding onto the tug either where as he holds on for dear life. but the moment i say give it then they release most of the time still getting used to it.
i even got them to start jumping off the ground all paws off the ground.
so to some it all up, they are great puppies and i could never give 1 away. i just have to put more effort into seperating them when they do fight. as for completely seperating them its gona be hard since they prefer to share a kennel. they have there own seperate sections of the yard but when i had them seperate they cry until i put them together.