Ok, I just finished Ed's *First Steps in Defense* video, I'm only on my 1st time thru it, but I have a question.
Watching the dogs going thru civil agitation, if I'm understanding it right, the dogs do *not* get a bite at the end b/c they've all had a foundation in prey and that would put them back into prey? Doesn't the dog get really frustrated being agitated over and over in various scenarios and not getting the release of the bite?
Thanks Vince! I was beginning to feel like nobody was going to reply <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Maybe we should post a question, then take the evening to review relevant parts of the tape and everyone reply the next day? Sort of like a Frawley Study Group or something?
PS The part I'm thinking of is when the dogs are being taken out to unfamiliar locations and the helper is popping out and agitating the dog, dog responds agressively, helper flees in terror. But, dog is getting revved up w/no chance to bite. Seems like that would need to go somewhere eventually. Tho, I suppose it happens w/PSDs all the time.
Sorry I have been busy and could not watch the video (for the 10 time I might add). In prey foundation we teach a dog to bark for his bite. His reward for aggression is the prey item. In civil agitation we teach the dog that his bark and forward aggression has a new power. To scare away your opponent. We are teaching a dog that your reward is to beat your opponent not to win the prey. We are now being to change the focus from the prey item to the man. It does not need a bite at this stage. It received stress from a helper and learned that forward motion and aggression removed the stress. Hope that helped. If not keep the thread alive.
I just got the tape and have only had time to watch it twice, but here goes.
In addition to Vince's point is that this training is not an end point, but a begining. Ed says that on the tape and I missed it the first time through. He recomends some other tapes to further the training. The idea is also that the dog has an option to to go after an unprotected man rather than the focus on the equipment. Several trainers I have worked with do the samething but mix it in earlier with prey work. I am not sure which method works better as I have never seen it done Ed's way. I would lean to Ed's way as it makes a clear distinction later in training without the confusion to slow down the prey work. The only thing is timing on starting and quitting may be a little difficult until you have seen it once or twice.
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