 Re: Charlie has the POO.....
[Re: Louis LaRose ]
#145312 - 06/18/2007 06:05 PM |
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... i have the active cultures yogurt....i will give some tonite...
should i just do the white rice and chicken again??? ( for a day or so? hell, that would be fine for my dinner tonite too...lol...
Yes, I would stick with the soothing diet while his system calms down. No matter what the source, his gut is inflamed. A few days on an unbalanced diet like that, IMHO, is absolutely nothing to worry about. (The "balance" of a dog's diet means over the long run....)
http://www.vetmed.wisc.edu/pbs/zoonoses/GIk9fel/salmonella.html
says that pig ear treats are a common source of salmonella both for dogs and the humans who handle them. Did he a pig ear snack?
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003&PID=6689&O=Generic
discusses many types of bacterial gastroenteritis.
Salmonella just wouldn't be my first thought. I don't like guessing when there is a good, simple, and reasonable test available.
Of course, I'm not a vet. But to call it salmonella without a fecal culture seems kind of ... loose, I guess, with no pun intended.
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Re: Charlie has the POO.....
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#145314 - 06/18/2007 06:09 PM |
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P.S. I'm so glad it was not a sock or something, BTW. And with 20-20 hindsight, it seems that the dog's own system was starting to fight off whatever it is, since he had gone on his own from the yellow mucous-y liquid to some formed poops.
I'd follow that RX regimen right to the date prescribed in order not to kill off the weaker "bugs" and allow others an open playing field..... and I'd support him with the live cultures from the yogurt, lots of water, and the soothing easily-digested food.
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Re: Charlie has the POO.....
[Re: Louis LaRose ]
#145316 - 06/18/2007 06:17 PM |
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I'm going to second doing the fecal culture, Louis, if only so you AND the vet know exactly what bacteria is involved (if one is) and the correct medicine is dispensed. He shouldn't be guessing.
Fecal floats will show parasites and eggs...or absence thereof...but a culture is the only thing that will tell you if salmonella (or other bacteria) are present. It takes about 72 hours but your vet will get daily *preliminary* results and will have a good idea fairly quickly what is going on.
My pup had Salmonella and was on metronidazole (which works great, BTW) and on an antibiotic. Cleared up the problem quickly with no lasting damage.
As an aside...and just my measly $.02...vets really like to use the *salmonella scare* with raw feeders. It isn't fun, for sure, but there are a LOT worse things your dog can get than a case of salmonella. My pup bounced right back and Charlie will too 
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Re: Charlie has the POO.....
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#145322 - 06/18/2007 06:34 PM |
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... a culture is the only thing that will tell you if salmonella (or other bacteria) are present. It takes about 72 hours but your vet will get daily *preliminary* results and will have a good idea fairly quickly what is going on. ...
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So then, based on that, it's apparent that the vet could not have done the test which would actually tell him it was salmonella?
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Re: Charlie has the POO.....
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#145325 - 06/18/2007 06:59 PM |
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No. Based on Louis' post it sounds like they did a fecal float or centrifuge. Vets can do these in-house or send it out.
I did several fecal floats on my dog and nothing came up. Only when we did the culture did we get a diagnosis of abundant salmonella. My dog had weeks of diarrhea before the culture told us what was truly going on.
What bugs me about this is that my dog needed a course of Amoxi-drops to get him over it...metronidazole alone didn't do it. IF Charlie has some kind of bacteria it's important to know which kind so the appropriate antibiotic can be dispensed. Guessing is just bad all the way around.
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Re: Charlie has the POO.....
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#145350 - 06/18/2007 10:30 PM |
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No. Based on Louis' post it sounds like they did a fecal float or centrifuge. Vets can do these in-house or send it out.
I did several fecal floats on my dog and nothing came up. Only when we did the culture did we get a diagnosis of abundant salmonella. My dog had weeks of diarrhea before the culture told us what was truly going on.
What bugs me about this is that my dog needed a course of Amoxi-drops to get him over it...metronidazole alone didn't do it. IF Charlie has some kind of bacteria it's important to know which kind so the appropriate antibiotic can be dispensed. Guessing is just bad all the way around.
yes, you are right. he did do a fecal flotation on charlie...NOTHING came up...
the vet DID NOT say salmonella.....nor imply.....just implied that the diet had somethign to do with it, whether it be the bones or the actual raw meat..
i was (in theory) asking how common salmonella can be to a dog, if at all, knowing their intestinal tract is shorter and much more potent than that of a human..
the vet did not assume anything to me....just that i should not be feeding raw...
there was no evidence of anything in teh flotation to suggest anything harmful to teh dog...
i will stick to boiled white rice and some chicken.....just for safe measures, i am throwning out all the food that i packaged up and froze for charlie, and am going to make a new batch....
he ate a dinner of boiled rice and chicken tonite...and i am about to take him out to poop....(he seems to digest slower....only poops when about 3-4 hours have passed after meals.....)
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Re: Charlie has the POO.....
[Re: Louis LaRose ]
#145353 - 06/18/2007 10:45 PM |
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... the vet DID NOT say salmonella.....nor imply.....just implied that the diet had somethign to do with it, whether it be the bones or the actual raw meat.. the vet did not assume anything to me....just that i should not be feeding raw... he ate a dinner of boiled rice and chicken tonite...and i am about to take him out to poop....(he seems to digest slower....only poops when about 3-4 hours have passed after meals.....)
AH. Gotcha.
Boy.  I have to say that a statement like "It's the food," with no diagnosis, is pretty darned loose, IMHO.
Anyway ... yes, the rice will will make the digestion process much slower than it is with raw. Rice also has a moderate binding quality, helping to firm up the poop. You mentioned that you cooked it very well-done, and that's good. Almost like a rice porridge or gruel. That, with the cooked white chicken (no skin) and the plain yogurt to replenish good bacteria ... that's a good calming diet, IMO.
When I am feeding a dog with diarrhea, I generally segue pretty slowly back to the regular diet. I start adding more of the white-meat, no-skin, chicken into the rice as it's cooking, then I when I go back to raw I start with just ground turkey breast or chickn breast, slowly adding back in the bones and other items.
However, because Omega 3s are such a good anti-inflammation agent, I add the fish oil and E back to the diet as soon as the stool has firmed back up.
Please keep us posted.
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Re: Charlie has the POO.....
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#145354 - 06/18/2007 10:55 PM |
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will do, and thanks again to all who assisted us with this matter....
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