Originally Posted By: Rick Miller
Would you all agree that poultry is an item that dogs from all around would eat naturally?
Yes, I'd agree on that. And rabbits.
I would agree that dogs have been eating poultry for some time now. I think wolves however eat more red meat than some raw feeders feed. This is often due to price, availability and conveinience IMO. Chicken is a good protien source that is cheap and has bones that are not too risky.
I personally choose to feed only about 30% bird. Wolves will eat some bird and rabbit for sure. What they really eat mostly is red meat, deer, elk, caribo, bison, moose.... Now coyotes do eat more small game, and less big game.
That is hard for many people to replicate so they end up using mostly cow as red meat.
Any fresh meat and bones is better than kibble! Pretty sure my dog's diet is closer to it's wild ancester's diet and is way healther than the processed cr** I eat on a regular basis!
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Yes, all true, as far as I know, from the Gray Wolf Project videos.
Solitary wolves hunt smaller animals like rodents, beavers, rabbits, etc., and wolf packs can and do bring down large ruminants.
I wonder if adult dogs who have been kibble-fed and then switched to fresh raw food might digest poultry and rabbit more easily than red meat.... maybe at first. I really have no material to back this up, but I've noticed that adopted adults who were on shelter food (and who knows what before that) sometimes seem to adapt a little less quickly and easily to beef and lamb than to poultry and rabbit.
I wonder if adult dogs who have been kibble-fed and then switched to fresh raw food might digest poultry and rabbit more easily than red meat.... maybe at first. I really have no material to back this up, but I've noticed that adopted adults who were on shelter food (and who knows what before that) sometimes seem to adapt a little less quickly and easily to beef and lamb than to poultry and rabbit.
Very interesting...I think I know what you are talking about. Some ideas on why...Chicken is the most popular protein source in kibble so maybe they get used to it quicker? That does not account for the rabbit though.
Another thought is that rabbit and poultry are generally more lean meats than some of red meat grocery counterparts? Could it be the fat that they find hard to digest in the begining? I know some even take the skin off the chicken to start, and some do it always.
Mine did have some issues switching when I rushed into variety very quickly. All good now. The only thing I notice is some very soft stool with elk. I stopped feeding it, the source may have been the issue. I will try again next hunting season.
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Quote: Jennifer Coulter
Another thought is that rabbit and poultry are generally more lean meats than some of red meat grocery counterparts? Could it be the fat that they find hard to digest in the begining? I know some even take the skin off the chicken to start, and some do it always.
Mine did have some issues switching when I rushed into variety very quickly. All good now.
I think it is the fat. I think that the cooked fat (and often rancid fat, such as leftover restaurant Fryerlator fat) does a number on the canine pancreas and other organs. Cooked fat isn't even the same chemical profile or fatty acid profile as raw fat.
I think that the link between bloat and fat in the first five ingredients of kibble is more likely to be because of the fact that it's cooked fat, not that it's fat.
Rancid fat is very hard to digest.
I think that this stress on the organs gives some dogs problems with fat (pancreatitis, etc.) and, along with the grain in the top of the ingredient list, is the reason for dogs who have eaten bad kibble for a long time having problems digesting anything but the leanest of proteins when they switch to raw (such as rabbit and poultry).
I can't back this up yet. It's JMO at this point. But I think that you're right.
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Quote: Connie Sutherland
I wonder if adult dogs who have been kibble-fed and then switched to fresh raw food might digest poultry and rabbit more easily than red meat.... maybe at first.
I can personally attest to this with Bella, as I fed way too much beef heart the first time I added it. It was not pretty! I have now removed it all, and will slowly add it in this time. When I started raw feeding, she didn't have near the problems with the RMBs of chicken.
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