Anna Christie Webboard User Reg: 07-02-2007
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With me most of the problems I've had have come from him anticipating what were doing and getting himself out of control. I stop that by not always doing a finish after recall or letting him run through my legs after a ball when I do a recall. Don't know if thats any help.
Steve makes a good point here. I ran into this problem as well. When teaching the finish, I'd recall and then always have my dog do a finish. She is so smart, that after a few days, I'd recall her and she'd run to me, around me, then finish. After that, she'd think "screw the finish", then run to my left side, and turn around and end on my left. I had to switch it up and start throwing a ball between my legs on her recall or have a piece of hotdog showing with my hands in front, so she'd stop and sit.
I use a wall also for a straight sit, but am having problems as well, having her glued to my left side. I think it might be the same as Lynn, where you scoot to your right a bit and the dog has to adjust or if the dog is too far to the left, you pat your leg or repeat "fus" and it moves over next to your leg.
I had that problem with my first dog and then I vowed "never again"! Right now I'm helping my daughter with a BH on her GSD, as many of you know. I tell her to really mix it up. Sometimes when the dog comes and sits straight in front, she throws the whoop-dee-do item of choice: an orbit ball. Sometimes she gets a weiner spit at her. Sometimes the dog has to finish to get either the ball thrown or the weiner spit. The anticipation of not knowing what's going to happen next keeps the dog's drive up.
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Steve,
Sorry it's hard for me to explain. I'm only asking for a finish after a recall very few times. She gives me a straight recall now and I'm trying not to mess it up. I don't want her to put the two together too quickly but she seems to understand that concept easily. But I'm anticipating a problem since I'm having problems with the basic position.
Right now, i'm just starting at basic position and walking 2 steps (fuss) and stopping. At that point I'm expecting her to sit (and she does). We are using a wall or other barrier to help guide her. I'm having trouble getting her to understand how to correct herself when she is crooked - butt sticking out a bit. I would like her to understand where her body should be relative to mine whenever or where ever I stand. So if I face a different direction, she would adjust her position. Hope that helps, sorry it's tuff to explain.
If you're having a problem with basic position (not just on the finish) I highly recommend the swift pop up on the leash with the right hand, and simultaneous whack on the dog's left hip with your left hand to move him into a straight position. As I said before, I'm not a professional trainer and I do know that some trainers say you shouldn't stoop over the dog (which you have to do with this method). However, once again...my dogs all sit straight and finish nicely. But perhaps there's a reason I don't know of that one should not bend over them...
Another thing I thought of and it might be in Tom Rose's heeling video (haven't watched it in mos) is, wrapping a leash around the dogs waist and popping to your right to straighten the finished-sit?
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Right now, i'm just starting at basic position and walking 2 steps (fuss) and stopping
If her rear is swinging left and she's watching you I'm guessing she is coming around looking for the reward. try taking those two steps slightly towards her and maybe continue in a circle getting smaller and smaller. I think you may just need to continue reinforcing a straight sit separate of everything else. If I'm reading this right you want her to come into a straight sit and heel from all different positions. Right? I do short drills with Andy like you are saying step forward, step to the right and call him into heel. The key for us is I start doing them to the right first because it was easier to bring him in straight and the same thing that was said before about breaking it up. Sometimes I just walk away so that he can't anticipate and has to think about what I want. I hope any of this is of any use to you Lynn.
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Steve, that's exactly what i was trying to describe. All the replies have been very helpful for me to piece it all together. Good suggestion Andy, on the small steps. I'll try that too.
Wow, a conference call would be helpful, huh? :-) Thanks again everyone.
Lynn
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