Michael West Webboard User Reg: 05-23-2007
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Chris -
Gotcha, the old "hide and seek game" :-D Sadly my dog is trained to know where the kong is coming from: me. Its a bit to late in the game to train him differently considering i will only have him about 8 months left to work with him. All i do is just reach in my pocket where the kong is (he gets exsited every time i reach for any of my pockets) so he knows what he has to do to get the kong.
Chris Duhon Webboard User Reg: 08-14-2004
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Mike it's been my experience after a while they all learn where the toy comes from as they get seasoned and goes from look for my toy which is where the dope is to Ok, I found it, now give me my ball. She's pretty much like that now. The dope in the beggining was the ball, now pinpointing the dope is the button to push to get your ball.
With a smart dog all it takes IMO is one time of them catching you getting the ball out and or throwing it and they start to catch on from that point. My dog figured out the game one time when I was trying to get the ball out and it got stuck in my pocket and she noticed. I noticed though that she started scratching at the dope and looking up at me. I had been made, LOL! but as long as she scratches for her dope and it's really dope there, doesn't really matter where the ball is coming from as long as she understands the game and how to perform. JMO
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002
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We have some basic rules; any contact on a highway, road or interstate is done on-leash. Initial room search is taught on-leash with a lot of emphasis on recognizing those changes of behavior that the dog is in odor and going with him. In time, off leash search can be as effective as on-leash, maybe even more so. It's a learned task however, same as responding to an odor. If a dog and handler are taught the basics, advanced training goes considerably smoother and more effective. I don't however teach room scans. It's been my experiance that it (the scan) more often than not is followed by a more detailed search anyway. What I tell my handlers is, measure it, see if it works for you. It's easy to do, just have the person hiding the drugs for you (another peeve of mine handlers are not allowed to know where the targets are) keep the time for the scan, whether or not anything was missed, the time for the detailed search and look at the difference. Just measure it and see.
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Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
Michael West Webboard User Reg: 05-23-2007
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Quick post for now and then i will hit this topic up again later on tonight
David -
It should be standard that the handler doesn't know where the narcs are if they do then they will know where to take there dog. its a simple as that. Now some times knowing where the narcs are is a good thing if you are working on hand presentations or working with a new dog and learning your dogs "tells" but 90% of the time the handler shouldn't know.
Do a lot of your handlers like to know where the narcs are?
David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002
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<<Do a lot of your handlers like to know where the narcs are?>>
No, I don't permit it. As you said there are occasions, if you are working a specific problem, but generally in training I do not believe a handler should know where the targets, or for that matter, IF, targets are hidden. We do blank searches.
DFrost
Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
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