Brad . Martin Webboard User Reg: 09-14-2005
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From what I understand Defense is rooted in fear and the instinct for survival and Fight is more a matter full confidence in combat situations created by various influences in the dog's training and the training itself.
I am curious, as one sees the dog's Fight Drive increase (where/when possible dependant on the dog) will one also see the Defense Drive decrease? And if so will / how should that dog's training then be modified?
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OK I hope this doesn't irritate anyone too badly but, I'm going to keep my questions on defense going for another 48 hrs in the hopes that there is at least one board member who can answer them whom may have just not been signed on in the last little while.
Doesn't irritate me! I'm hoping to learn, too. Protection seems to be the hardest area to find info on - maybe because it's so much more individual-dog-dependent than other phases?
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Doesn't irritate me!
Thank you, Anita. I agree that protection is difficult to get info on, particularily the defense aspect of it. That is why I'm trying to phrase my questions in such a way that answers can be a little more direct rather than opinion based (for the most part anyway).
Still though, if someone has any answers for this question or any of my others that were recently posted, and you are uncomfortable placing the info in the open forum I would also greatly appreciate a PM.
I’m trying to think of the best way to word this without writing a book and still getting my thought across. When fight drive increases there is not necessarily going to be an increase in defense. As the dog learns he can defeat more and stronger opponents his confidence is going to come up as well as his desire to fight that opponent or to continue the fight. Like building endurance starting off slow and allowing the dog to win and gradually extending the confrontations time and intensity. Any defensive responses should remain the same or close to the same. Just because he can defeat an opposition doesn’t mean he should fear them or automatically feel he needs to fight them. I think one of the most important things with the training is not to set up the training based on fear or you push / can push the dog into a flight situation. I hope this reads correctly at least based on my thought.
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Jason, your writing is fine, the post made perfect sense. However, what I am curious about is as you see fight drive increase can you expect to defense drive decrease?
I suppose not, I guess. Considering that defense drive is the desire for self preservation, as confidence is boosted the defensive responses would logically only require an increase in pressure on the dog to bring them out... Yes??.. No??
For those experienced in working with fight drive, would that be more accurate? Or, do the dog's defensive responses actually decrease as his confidence rises?
I think if you remember that the dog can do one of three things when confronted in defense; 1. run 2. freeze 3. bite When making the correct choice to bite, and training goes well, hopefully in time the dogs confidence develops well enough that his fight drive will begin to emerge. The dog still fights in defense because fight drive comes from defense. I believe Ed adds (with the forwardness of prey) to it. I think a lot of people get mixed up with this whole drive thing because they never got their definitions straight to begin with. Helmut Raiser's book, Der Schutzhund will help you to understand what a drive really is. As long as people are willing to throw words around out there (like drive) without a firm definition then it always remains foggy.
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