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				Hi, everyone. 
Where are some of you getting your raw foods from?
 
Are you just going to the local supermarkets to buy your meats?
 
Aren't the meats at the supermarkets still processed in some fashion from the slaughterhouses before it reaches the shelves?
 
I'm not sure but aren't there some differences between the meats on the supermarket shelves and the meat from, say, a live kill in the wild (aside from the missing hair, skin, etc)?
 
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				I don't know where you live, Ben, but you should definitely check out greentripe.com, although a phone call is better than just looking at their website, which tends to lag. 
They're now offering a mix of ground up tripe (with stomach contents), bone, meat, and gullet (the main industrial source of chondroitin) from grass-fed animals. It's quite fresh (generally frozen within a day of slaughter) and close to nutritionally complete (I tend to add veggies from time to time, although the grass in the stomach serves much the same purpose). It's about a buck a pound, in 2- or 5-pound sausages. Best dog food I've ever found--everyone at our Sch club swears by it.
 
She also sells things like calf legs (some dogs eat them, some just gnaw and bury) and gullets, which dogs generally go nuts for--they're chewy and, again, a good source of chondroitin.
 
All good stuff, highly recommended. And good people to deal with.								
				
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				i was just looking at a web page for an outfit in n.c. wisc.  curious if anyone knows anything about these folks.  rosholt fur food co.  (arrff) in antigo wisc.  frozen meats, looks like mostly beef, 25-50 lb. bundles of different blends ranging in price from .17 to .22 per lb.  you know what they say about things that sound too good to be true.....so i just wondered if any of you wisconsin folk knew anything about them.								
				
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				Anyhow, shipping charges on 50 popunds from Wisconsin to where I live are crazy.								
				
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				Go back and read the old threads on where to buy raw. Use the drop down box to look at all of the threads on this subject.								
				
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				| ben wu wrote 07/30/2003 11:30 AMRe: Sources of Raw Food 
				
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				Thanks for the leads, everyone! 
Green tripe looks great... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> 
 
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				Originally posted by ben wu:I'm not sure but aren't there some differences between the meats on the supermarket shelves and the meat from, say, a live kill in the wild (aside from the missing hair, skin, etc)?
 
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 There are definitely differences, but it's not so much in the processing.  Omega-3s, conjugated linoleic acid, beta carotene and vitamin E are are higher in grassfed meat (vs. heavily grain-fed, feedlot meat).  Grassfed meat is typically leaner (this is also influenced by the breed of animal).  You may have to worry about antibiotics and hormones in typical, grocery store meat.
 
Here is a group of articles about the difference between traditional, feedlot-raised meat and grassfed meat:
 http://www.eatwild.com/nutrition.html 
Here is a group of articles about feeding cattle phone books, chewing gum (still in the wrappers!) and pot scrubbers (it's cheaper than feeding them real food!) - along with various other information about the weird things they feed and do to meat animals.
 http://www.eatwild.com/animals.html 
Either way, BARF is still better than kibble.  Grassfed, organic BARF (not a particularly feasible alternative for many people) is probably the next best thing to roaming around in the woods and shooting things to drag home for the dogs.								
				
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				| ben wu wrote 08/04/2003 11:17 AMRe: Sources of Raw Food 
				
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				Wow!  Thank you so much for the information, Jen - this is very informative... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />  
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				You're very welcome.   <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />  
I hate mentioning this stuff to BARFers, but you did ask.  
 
I can't imagine wild game is much safer.  With polluted water, pesticides (deer don't pay attention to when a crop was last sprayed), etc., there's no real way of determining that a game animal has been "raised" in any particularly healthy manner.								
				
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