 Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
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#159907 - 10/26/2007 12:04 PM |
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Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
[Re: Sandy Moore ]
#159914 - 10/26/2007 12:45 PM |
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I'm just thinking out loud, and...with my fingers
Could this gel pose a problem should dirt or sand get into it, then with the tightness of the contacts against the skin, irritate the skin? When my dogs are outside they lay in sand under the porch and I'd be concerned about it causing a problem.
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Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
[Re: eric dziedzic ]
#159917 - 10/26/2007 12:57 PM |
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Eric,
If the dog isn't going through a conditioning faze with the collar I would just take it off when I'm not training. No need for the gel if your conditioning, and that's not to say that it would be a problem even if you use gel.
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Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
[Re: Brad Satorre ]
#159924 - 10/26/2007 01:50 PM |
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Hello all,
Does anyone know where I can get the conductive gel? I seem to be having the same problem as Marta with the same breed of dog, same age too. I do think the pain tolerance for this breed is very high also. I was thinking of getting that add on contact pad but not sure.
thanks in advance for anyones help.
Hey Brad,
I don't think this is a pain tolerance issue. I thought that at first when I was hitting him with 17! and no reaction which seemed quite ridiculous. He does without a doubt handle pain well. He's ran into walls and slid into rocks while running full speed, and he just gets up and keeps going without a flinch. He also does take quite the correction with a prong.
Now all it takes is a momentary zap on the 2 and he stops immediately what ever he was doing. I find that interesting because I could barely feel 2 on my hand. I'm wondering if the water increases the zapping sensation or perhaps if the side of his neck is really that much more sensitive.
I caught him on the bed once and gave him a 5, he flew right off. The next time I just told him off and he flew right off just the same. He hasn't tried getting back on since.
I'm really happy with how this is working out so far, less the water issue.
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Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
[Re: Michael Reese ]
#159927 - 10/26/2007 01:55 PM |
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Another thing I would try is to wiggle the collar into it's spot once you have the collar at the correct tightness. This helps to seat the contact points against the skin.
Michael, trust me, I've tried that. It makes no difference. He has very thick under coat, almost wirey. I find it very weird as this would suggest that the fur doesn't allow for the electric conductivity?? I would have imagined the current should be able to travel through the fur to the skin if you don't have perfect skin contact. I guess one experiment to try would be to try and zap yourself in the nail see if you feel the current in your finger... I guess another alternative would be to shave a section of his neck? That just seems a bit over the top.
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Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
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#159948 - 10/26/2007 04:28 PM |
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Marta,
Which e-collar did you say you had? I have the Dogtra 1700 and just started to use it but I have cranked it up to the 90 range and he just gives a very little twich, so I checked the collar and it works fine. I was going to try the water trick but I'm going to pick-up some of the gel I found and try that since the water worked for you I don't see why the gel wouldn't work for me. I found the gel at a bicycle shop, they use it for heart rate monitors and such.
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Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
[Re: MartaWajngarten ]
#159955 - 10/26/2007 06:29 PM |
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Hello all,
Does anyone know where I can get the conductive gel? I seem to be having the same problem as Marta with the same breed of dog, same age too. I do think the pain tolerance for this breed is very high also. I was thinking of getting that add on contact pad but not sure.
thanks in advance for anyones help.
I'm wondering if the water increases the zapping sensation or perhaps if the side of his neck is really that much more sensitive.
I think the water is making the stim spread to where ever the water is. I do not know if it is increasing the level of stim but I would assume the stim is going where the water is which means more nerves contacted.
My experience with e-collars is that the 2 prongs can cause different/higher levels of stim at the same level. It really all depends on where the prongs are touching, its very touch and go. I have held the collar on my own neck with level one stim and felt a mild tingle. I had proper contact on my neck, but since the two prongs did not touch my twitch nerves, I received no twitch. I moved the collar 1/4 inch to the right and received a heavy muscle twitch from my neck up the side of my face to my ear, which felt a lot harder than the previous tingle, on the same exact stim level.
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Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
[Re: Paige Fegley ]
#159959 - 10/26/2007 07:08 PM |
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I start out putting the collar on up around the side of his jaw up high but after a little running around and due to the size of the transmitter it almost always ends up under his jaw. Without tightening the collar to the point where he will pass out, it will end up under his jaw almost always.
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Re: Problems with collar, need positioning advice?
[Re: Brad Satorre ]
#159975 - 10/27/2007 08:09 AM |
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Marta,
I really don't think it has anything to do with the breed. I've trained plenty of Cane's and haven't had any more trouble getting a good reaction with the e-collar then any other dog. It's just a matter of getting a good contact. The water is a good conductor of electricity. This is the same reason why you shouldn't stand in water when your plugging in your hair dryer or any other device. The chances of getting shocked goes up exponentially. It is possible that you could use the longer contact points. I'm using a DT systems collar and the longer contacts came with it, however I've only had to use them on dogs with a really long coat.
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