Most of the ones I've seen carry the weight of a GSD....and fly like a Mal.

Yes your right Mike J Schoonbrood. Your a knowledgeable fancier about the breed I raise. Most folks that own a Mal from knpv heritage, it is a Mal/GSD some where, some way. Maybe a boxer,ducth shepherd, terveran & groendale. Who knows..I looked back in my male papers and in 1960's I it every where. What ever it looked like they call it just that. This is the lineage, I love, own & breed for personal use. It has been stated many of times by the old timers that the DDR/Czech lines are just that. ....crosses.
Look at malinios El gos, kukays quarto, arco perele, look back they are crossed up & almost every mal have those dogs in them. Its been said that the papers of today isn't elgos true papers???
So I say this to say this! Your paper may the falsified & far from being correct for a sale. Look at the DDR/CZECH line of GSD & the KNPV dogs and tell me you don't see it. I do because, I have those kind of crosses for my personal use. All I like is a working dog period. I am not into sport trails & famous paper work, so I am a nobody when it come to that. I would like to show you a clip of my crosses & you show me a clip of your breeding.(addressed to steve patrick)since you sound like you have the best dogs on gods earth & I breed garbage....lol
Let the international public judge what puppies displays the desired behaviors we all seek at a young age like 7 weeks. My crosses are prey driven monsters. Show me on film. Dont talk. I can't afford the dogs you may have on paper but, I make due with what I have. My kids & game to working and we love them here.

However if goes, I breed dogs for my officers, whom life's are on the lines & love the extreme working dog we have available. I also breed for myself. I do not breed for sales or some paper, Sports freak that want von/van/trolls/ what ever...lol
I breed too see the same two exceptional dogs in one pup for every one. However, if folks were not so political in my area & I had seen a dog that was just as worthy, I swear would have never made the mix breed crosses.God honor! It's true but, they are undeniable working monsters & I would like the opinion of those that own them. not those that hate them! Happy & safe training Regards, Ulysee

Video is up, show me your puppies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrXjo1-y_uM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgm-14NnwY4

Debbie, My Bubble has not burst,Your post does not change my way of thinking in fact i think it is sad the way you think , but its what makes us tick i guess
and why is it then that we have Dogs which cannot see correctly, Dogs which cannot breath properly, and who is to blame, We are or the breeders who mess about with a perfectly good dog, and wants to better it or they think it can be bettered and why do they do it, because of a whim that they have in there heads, But it is the animal who suffers in the long run,
All species of Dog have been developed by Man, and we now have two great species of Dogs,with courage, intelligence, and a great ability to socialise with humans, i speak only of the two breeds mentioned on this thread G.S and Mals, of course there are many others,
WHY' mess about with crossing with something which is already excepional.
And as for any breed of Dog working Dog or other if a so called white collar worker owns one say a G.S. so long as he treats the Dog correctly regards exercise and feeding etc and the Dog is Happy in its life then it does not have to work,
I know many G.S dogs who are companions to there owners, and treated like one of the family only, never seen a Show ring or sleeve, do not know anything else than a home family life they are content, because you have a working breed dog it does not need to do that job,
My Charlie died 14 years old He was a Border Collie, never had contact with any sheep in his life, but a more loyal and happy dog you would not wish to find

 Quote: ulysee muff

I would like to show you a clip of my crosses & you show me a clip of your breeding.(addressed to steve patrick)since you sound like you have the best dogs on gods earth & I breed garbage....lol

I didn't read anyone writing that you breed garbage, nor stating that they have the "best dogs on 'gods' earth". Don't get huffy, it doesn't work on this forum.

 Quote: ulysee muff

My crosses are prey driven monsters. Show me on film. Dont talk.

Is that all you're breeding for...to get prey driven monsters??? I saw your puppy clips and yes, they're prey driven, but definitely not more so than clips I've seen of purebred GSD puppies and purebred Malinois puppies. Definitely not more than the puppy I've seen grow up that loves the fight and loves the bite, namely my own dog. BUT that's not all a lover of the GSD or the Malinois wants...drive, drive, drive. If drive is all some breeders are breeding for, the breed will suffer for it. There's more to a dog than having the drive of a wild canid.

What struck me in your original post was the word "experimenting", with crosses of the GSD and Malinois. Breeding dogs is a tremendous responsibility, not just an experiment to breed one monster prey driven dog with another monster prey driven dog to see what you'll get (hmmm, maybe you'll get a monster). What happens to the puppies that don't meet your expectations?

You want dogs that can rip and tear and shred a human? We have those, GSDs and Mals doing the jobs of police K9's and war dogs. People have been saved by these dogs. Not tough enough for you? Not good enough? Make them tougher, make them meaner? WHY? These are dogs, not wolves.

And no one has to prove anything to you by showing you videos of their puppies so you can "test" their puppies' prey drive.

lol Hi Sandy why do you train??, if you don't expect your dog to stop a man????. I think every one is training & for grips even you. Every one is breeding for fast entry. Every one looks for high drive pups & strong hunt drive.I am talking about working dogs, not show lines
Have you ever bought FOCUS ,DRIVE & GRIPS or TEACH your dogs the counter for full mouth.?? Then yes, your training to break arms, skin and every thing else. Is that you with a full body suite. then yoy are teaching a canine to bite a person. Your teaching him to bit a persons leg & not just a arm. why are you doing that.?????
That cruel to humans. That part Sound ignorant.
When a office goes on a 187,211 call. You think he says ...
Hey boss. the Murder suspect isn't wearing a full body suite. should I sent him in....lol your nut that statement was ignorant.

these pup grown dogs now are all sound & as adults. None of the officers own them come to this board. I wished..I been on this forum just all long as you & more than sure I have spent just a much$$ on dvd & training tools. I say this to say, I been on the board just all long as you & every body get huffy around here.....lol...lol
Where just humans..sista

I think your throwing fish grease because, your statement was ignorant.
"YOU SAID >>>You want dogs that can rip and tear and shred a human"
Darn right! My malinios stopped a man whom shot my 64 year old father, 6 times on duty while my mother watched. If not for that hard biting Malinios/ Prey monster with fight drive, he wouldn't have stopped.You tell that to my father & mother.
If any officer on the street goes into a building. Darn right, I want his dog. clear headed, focus on the task at hand & full of fight drive & stop him.

Ok, I am just funning around with my opinion. listen
If your dogs bite doesn't engage or hurt a suspect, he is not effective.
If you think that because, I use the inappropriate word "experiment" in stead of crosses and that what makes blood lines of today, then your just blind or naive.
However to think that crosses are crazy ,then you dont know much about dog history or dogs linage as well. No line is perfect & every breeding should be to in-better the last. Again I am not referring to your dogs. I am referring to ours here.
If you have nothing positive to say. Why post? I would like to hear positive results for the officers & work the community that has the crosses & want to share there positive experiences.
By the way your right! steven patricks never said that.
SORRY STEVEN! Regards, Ulysee

To the O.P.:



"Your nut, that statement was ignorant" is not appropriate here.

Hi
Ulysee,
Seems like you lost your Cool, appoligy accepted no harm done, But you would be wise to curb your temper should you get in a Scrap, for you would surly lose the fight
Getting back to the thread, it just my opinion that both Breeds are great without any crossing into each other,
To me when people start to play around with a good thing, i just wonder what they are looking for

To the O.P.

FYI - If you look back in Active Topic at the last 7 days, there is a thread on "Designer Dogs" being discussed. Ed clearly stated his views on cross breeding and that topic being discussed on his web board, he then closed that thread.

Ulysee,
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